ok i got our car back - new particle filtre is fitted and works perfectly no black dust anymore in *full throttle mode*

For the rattling/chaiy noise: *we couldnt reach an technician at LR Germany - but we keep you informed*  
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Ok. I took the rrs in today to have the cruise control sorted out. I spoke to the technical manager and he said:
"The noise you have on your car is now a known problem. It is a problem with both the RRS and the D3. More and more customers are having this problem and it has become prevalent in the last 4 or 5 months. Some cars have the noise very loud and some have it not as loud. The cars coming out of the factory make this noise too. ZF, the gearbox manufacturer is working on a fix as we speak but we will have to wait for them.

I am now happy as they have recognised the problem and it is not just me (or you) that is having it. I suppose that we will just have to wait to see what will happen.

Cannot wait for the snow now, it really comes into its own down here!!

thanks for the info - i wonder if someone else has this problem in here or does it only affect RRS sold in Germany !  
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I think it is a worldwide problem. It is odd as ZF make gearboxes for just about everyone. At least I know that I am not imagining things and just wonder why it took so long for them to actually "fess up". I do not mind the problem so much, as long as they recognise it and try and fix it.

I was greeted with a wry smile when I posed the question: "So, deaf man from Landrover, does he just tell everyone that there is no noise or does he tell them that it is normal?"

the 6 speed ZF gearbox is cool - i had them in both Jags too - AS LONG YOU DONT SOFTWAREUPGRADE THEM !!!!

after an update - we had harsch gear shiftings for about 2 years on both cars until they found out the prob and cured it - lets say to 90 % .......  
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Couldn't they roll back the upgrades? 

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Actually, Angel, that post about the upgrade may fit. My car was fine when I first had it but it just suddenly started making the noise. Now they are coming out of the factory (both RRS and D3) making that noise. Furthermore, more and more owners have been reporting this noise in the last 5 months.

If it were a mechanical problem then all the cars would have had the noise from when they were driven out of the factory from the outset?!

Oh well, hopefully they will come up with a fix asap

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Couldn't they roll back the upgrades?

I asked that - they cant - wonders why

(explanantion was - that the cars doesnt fit to the manufactors standards anymore then and it would be illegal to drive on the road then - hey we live in Germany) 
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As you say, it is not confined to the RRS, my TDV6 Auto D3 makes this noise, a kind of chain scraping sound when you let your foot off the accelerator.(there is a chain in the transfer box I believe), and I hope that it is not this that is wearing something away every time it happens. I didn't notice this noise when I first had the car 10 mths ago, but after a couple of months it was there, and after software enhancement a couple of months ago, it is still there, probably more so than before. I am going to wait for a while now to see if they come up with the cause of this, and a proper fix hopefully for when it goes in for its first service in November, (but knowing L/R -they won't have sorted it by then). Please let us know if you hear of any headway L/R may make of this. Best Rgds.

Hi Texstar. Yep that is exactly it. Chain or scraping noise when you take your foot off the accelerator. It is amusing for me because a bloke from ZF listened to the noise and said it was definately NOT the gearbox/transmission and the area rep said there was no noise etc. Now I am told that it is a big problem with all the rrs and D3 and they are coming out of the factory making that noise.

To cap it all, the LR area rep who denied there was a noise took his own car into a dealer with a "noise" but when he arrived he could not get the car to make the noise

At least ZF are working on it, and being a German company (and having worked with German technicians) you can be rest assured they will fix it, come hell or high water. (it is a matter of pride for them!)

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At least ZF are working on it, and being a German company (and having worked with German technicians) you can be rest assured they will fix it, come hell or high water. (it is a matter of pride for them!)

Sorry Canaryman i cant confirm that after the headache with the same gearbox on 2 other cars for 2 years ...  
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Thanks for the responses guys, It at least sounds like L/R have accepted that there is a problem, which is good, because I think all their area reps need their ears syringing.(I'll happily do it for them but I'm not a medical person). Lets hope ZF come up with the fix eh. Rgds.

Oh dear, Angel, that does not sound hopeful. I was just thinking about my days in the military when I posted that. I worked in the "hole" and all our equipment was state of the art digital stuff. A load of steam driven equipment with dials turned up with a German officer. He forgot to bring the instructions with him but still managed to get it to work after 5 days of extremely hard work. He was there 16 hours a day trying to get it to work and eventually managed to send and receive stuff with it.
He left and we never actually used the equipment at all as it was so old and slow (it was the sum-total of the German effort during the 1st Gulf War). Actually, to be honest we did not actually know what it did and what we were supposed to do with it as he left before he showed us anything. I suppose the fact that HE knew it worked was enough

we are egalising ourselfs in Europe........  
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Egalise?

Isn't that what Action Man had?  

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