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Barryp



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Same issue, I sit mine on a milk crate, an easy fix for the height issue. Very Happy
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Post #570268 Sat Dec 01 2018 7:02pm
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Bardley



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Always good practice to change the filter with the oil.
New oil is now running thro'. the dirty filter element, so the benefit of the oil change is being lost, and an easy enough job if you're under the bonnet already. 2011 MY D4 HSE
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Post #570278 Sun Dec 02 2018 8:16am
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naks



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yeah, always change the filter when changing the oil Thumbs Up --
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Post #570283 Sun Dec 02 2018 9:53am
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IRBails



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Bardley wrote:
Always good practice to change the filter with the oil.
New oil is now running thro'. the dirty filter element, so the benefit of the oil change is being lost, and an easy enough job if you're under the bonnet already.


Actually the dirtier the filter the better it filters. The downside is restricted flow. I do filter change now every second oil change since I am now doing intermediate changes. M16 SVD8 ,4.4 HSE with a few extras, Sold R50 , Wife SQ5 , BMW R1200GSW.

Post #570319 Sun Dec 02 2018 8:05pm
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Coedlan



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As an intermediate oil change, primarily as a precaution against oil dilution, I didn’t believe changing the oil filter would provide any additional benefit.
I only do approx.. 8k miles per year, so the filter is well within its lifespan, by the time of the annual service.
I suppose you could say, why not change it, it’s relatively cheap, but as has been said, the filter, at 3k miles is most probably filtering at its optimum condition.

Post #570330 Sun Dec 02 2018 9:53pm
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wilf



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Very sensible approach, the filter should not need changing for these intermediate, low mileage, oil changes. MY2016 HSE D SDV6 - gone due to fuel dilution problems.

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Post #570335 Mon Dec 03 2018 8:02am
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Bardley



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Clarity

So a new filter is working at its best when new. Taking the viewpoint that as it gets clogged with particles, slowing the flow, and so filtering better is plain wrong.

For clarity of this thread about changing oil filters: It is best practice to change an oil filter while you are changing the oil, and not good advice to be leaving the filter because it is within its yearly service interval.

Given the issues that some of these engines have with spun bearing shells, and broken cranks, leaving a filter change is not good advice to be publishing. 2011 MY D4 HSE
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Post #570337 Mon Dec 03 2018 9:13am
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wilf



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I don't understand this.

Since the filters are designed to be changed at 16000 mile intervals, if someone is changing their oil at 4000 miles, the filter is only 25% through its service life.


Surely that does not warrant replacing it? MY2016 HSE D SDV6 - gone due to fuel dilution problems.

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Post #570338 Mon Dec 03 2018 9:38am
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Tim in Scotland



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But the filter will still be contaminated with the old oil and possibly metal fines, surely for sake of a few pounds it makes sense to change the filter at the same time as the oil so you aren’t getting all those contaminants straight into the fresh oil? I was always taught that you change oil and filter at the same time, but with extended service intervals and much better quality oils I haven’t done an intermediate oil on either of my cars in years. 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
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Post #570339 Mon Dec 03 2018 10:01am
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Chips



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In years gone by before long service intervals on tractors , the handbooks used to say to change the engine oil every 100hrs and the filter every 200hrs .
If you are changing the oil to prevent build up of fuel contamination the amount of fuel left in from not changing the filter will be next to nothing . If you are doing it because you think there is a lot of metal contaminantes in the oil then change the filter as well MY24 Dynamic SE,MY21 HSE Silver, MY20 SQ7, MY 18 RRS HSE Dynamic , MY 16 RRS Autobiography now gone & MY 2005 Discovery 3 HSE that I will be buried in !

Post #570340 Mon Dec 03 2018 10:29am
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IRBails



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Tim in Scotland wrote:
But the filter will still be contaminated with the old oil and possibly metal fines, surely for sake of a few pounds it makes sense to change the filter at the same time as the oil so you aren’t getting all those contaminants straight into the fresh oil? I was always taught that you change oil and filter at the same time, but with extended service intervals and much better quality oils I haven’t done an intermediate oil on either of my cars in years.


But it will still be a better filter than a new one and that is the purpose. M16 SVD8 ,4.4 HSE with a few extras, Sold R50 , Wife SQ5 , BMW R1200GSW.

Post #570393 Mon Dec 03 2018 8:46pm
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Coedlan



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Tim in Scotland wrote:
But the filter will still be contaminated with the old oil and possibly metal fines, surely for sake of a few pounds it makes sense to change the filter at the same time as the oil so you aren’t getting all those contaminants straight into the fresh oil? I was always taught that you change oil and filter at the same time, but with extended service intervals and much better quality oils I haven’t done an intermediate oil on either of my cars in years.


My point is; that the oil quality is the problem and not that the filter is clogging with engine detritus, I hope and expect that it isn’t.
The oil isn’t old either, (4K miles) however it’s performance is expected to have been compromised, due to contamination.
What is failing, is the lubricity of the engine oil, due to diesel fuel diluting the oil (they are miscible fluids, both being hydrocarbons) by getting into the sump as a result of a poorly designed diesel particulate filter system. Or more specifically the engine management measures invoked to prevent ithe DPF clogging
The filter does its job of removing physical particles above a certain size, and as others have said, it’s filtering performance is initially improved after a short period of operation.
Anyhow, tomorrow i’m off for a 2 hour journey towing a caravan, which I hope will also be beneficial to a passive regeneration of the DPF

Post #570394 Mon Dec 03 2018 9:32pm
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jim4244



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I always change the filter if I change the oil regardless of mileage.

Jim

Post #570396 Mon Dec 03 2018 10:02pm
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IRBails



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I have done an intermediate oil change, sent oil for testing 4% dilution all other specs OK. However my car is now showing oil service ? Is there a way to reset oil service ? M16 SVD8 ,4.4 HSE with a few extras, Sold R50 , Wife SQ5 , BMW R1200GSW.

Post #582145 Mon Jun 10 2019 3:40am
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Barryp



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IID tool is what I use on mine for oil service reset.
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