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baxc



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United Kingdom 2006 Range Rover Sport TDV6 HSE Java Black

bkhk why do you post on this forum you dont even own a rrs forgot to take your pills again Censored

Post #383907 Thu May 23 2013 3:48pm
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reid7774



Member Since: 12 Apr 2012
Location: Thurso
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Scotland 2007 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Stornoway Grey

Thanks Guys, PADDI, the car has a full landrover dealer history,only 48000 miles, would you still recommend all the fluid changes and if so why, How would I no if the front diff breather has been done, Its running a brand new set of agitator P607 tyres?? personally I have never heard of them, whats usual tyre spec, and also clean the MAP and MAF Bow down sorry am not very mech minded..lol.......Also gona stick another post on, was getting a slight burning smell, sometimes inside,a bit plasticky and sometimes when get out when car is running but stopped...Any ideas... Thumbs Up 2007 V8 HSE RRS STORNAWAY GREY

Post #383925 Thu May 23 2013 7:23pm
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simple1



Member Since: 15 Jan 2006
Location: Somerset
Posts: 1657

United Kingdom 2007 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Cairns Blue

Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter
Is it any wonder they exported all the "undesirables" at the start of the century. Must be a derivative of said exports. Really can't understand why Censored come on this forum, insult and cause friction then disappear for months. Fore up the Barby mate, then sit on the thing Thumbs Up 2x TDV6. SE and HSE. Both returned to sender with issues👀
TDV8 Sport HSE...... Gone. Loved it but it didn't love me!!
Now rolling in MY10 Fullfat TDV8 Vogue. Slammed it to go round corners🙈
Cruising daily #56 mph in a Volvo V8. 😱
Lots of other toys in the cupboard...😜

Post #383941 Thu May 23 2013 9:31pm
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Paddi



Member Since: 06 Jul 2012
Location: Hertfordshire
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United Kingdom 2008 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Java Black

reid7774 wrote:
Thanks Guys, PADDI, the car has a full landrover dealer history,only 48000 miles, would you still recommend all the fluid changes and if so why, How would I no if the front diff breather has been done, Its running a brand new set of agitator P607 tyres?? personally I have never heard of them, whats usual tyre spec, and also clean the MAP and MAF Bow down sorry am not very mech minded..lol.......Also gona stick another post on, was getting a slight burning smell, sometimes inside,a bit plasticky and sometimes when get out when car is running but stopped...Any ideas... Thumbs Up


Reidi, Recommending the fluid changes because it's likely that many of these haven't been done at all. The diffs fail prematurely due to a manufacturing fault. My front diff failed at 35k miles; changing the oil and updating the breather might save yours.

LR say the gearbox oil is 'lifetime fill' but even ZF don't agree anymore and recommend ATF change at 60k and specialists say change it at 35k intervals.

The engine oil is critical for our TDV8s and any sludge build up could cause catastrophic failure without warning. The way dealer's do it i.e. without warming up the engine, just sucking old oil out of the dipstick hole and using whatever spec oil they can buy cheaply is criminally negligent IMHO. Get the engine properly warm drain it by removing both sump plugs and refill with the highest recommended spec oil and use a LR oil filter and you will improve the longevity of your engine.

If you search the forum you'll find a 'how to' posts on the diff breather update and MAP and MAF sensor cleaning. If you are really not the DIY type then buy the correct fluids yourself and try to find an old school type independent LR specialist to do the changes for you.

Your handbook has details on the correct tyre specification and if the tyres fitted aren't the right spec I would insist the dealer you bought it from changes at their expense as they are not fit for purpose. The law is on your side. The load rating is vital for such a heavy car and must be 106Y or above.

As others have already said the burning smell is probably your Fuel Burning Heater (FBH) kicking in. Smells like an old paraffin stove and the little snowflake shows up on the dash next to the outside temp. Be grateful it works - they can be a PIA.

All the above might sound a bit OCD but hey - that's what forums are all about isn't it? Thumbs Up 2008 MY Java Black TDV8 HSE

Post #383971 Fri May 24 2013 10:16am
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RRSTDV8



Member Since: 12 Aug 2011
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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Orkney Grey

reid7774 wrote:
Its running a brand new set of agitator P607 tyres?? personally I have never heard of them, whats usual tyre spec

Sagitar are a Chinese tyre and the P607 appears to be available in 275/45/20 (http://sagitartyre.com/tools_info.asp?keyno=116). Check your tyres and see what size they are. If they're 275/45 then go back to the dealer and make them put the correct size on - 275/40. The minimum load rating is 106.

It looks like they've put on the cheapest tyres they can find and I wouldn't be happy about that if it was my money.

The front diff failure was, I believe, caused by an issue with the paint used on the inside to protect the metal. It would flake off and cause problems.

I recently had my gearbox fluid changed by an indie. Total price incl VAT was £190.00 (£38/hr labour rate helped!). I'd hate to think what a LR dealer would charge for the same service but their fluid is twice the price for a start and their hourly rate is c.£100. That was done as a precaution at 65k miles. My aim is to have it done every 2 years from now on I think. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

Post #383976 Fri May 24 2013 12:00pm
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MisterAdam



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United Kingdom 2006 Range Rover Sport TDV6 HSE Bonatti Grey

simple1 wrote:
Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter
Really can't understand why Censored come on this forum, insult and cause friction then disappear for months. Fore up the Barby mate, then sit on the thing Thumbs Up


Because they've got nothing better to do with their life, probably. Current: 06 RR Sport HSE TDV6, Bonatti grey, black leather. Defender 90 pick up. Vito 110cdi

Previous: Mercedes CLS, BMW 330cd M sport, Nissan 200sx, Impreza STi, EP3 Civic Type R

Post #383982 Fri May 24 2013 12:54pm
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Paddi



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United Kingdom 2008 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Java Black

RRSTDV8 wrote:

The front diff failure was, I believe, caused by an issue with the paint used on the inside to protect the metal. It would flake off and cause problems.


Apparently so and in addition the original breather is said to melt and stop breathing so pressurising the diff, forcing oil out through the oil seals which leads to premature bearing failure. See Kev's post on changing the breather
http://rrsport.co.uk/forum/post377031.html#377031
- the new one looks different (see pics in the post) so easily identified by just looking under the bonnet. 2008 MY Java Black TDV8 HSE

Post #383983 Fri May 24 2013 1:09pm
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simple1



Member Since: 15 Jan 2006
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United Kingdom 2007 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Cairns Blue

Have had this happen twice and the final time the diff bearings failed. So four duffs in five years. The breather and seal repair is ok as long as the diff hasn't run too low on oil, mine had so 10 months after the seal and breather was changed the bearings failed. 2x TDV6. SE and HSE. Both returned to sender with issues👀
TDV8 Sport HSE...... Gone. Loved it but it didn't love me!!
Now rolling in MY10 Fullfat TDV8 Vogue. Slammed it to go round corners🙈
Cruising daily #56 mph in a Volvo V8. 😱
Lots of other toys in the cupboard...😜

Post #383987 Fri May 24 2013 1:23pm
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BKHK



Member Since: 05 May 2008
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Australia 2010 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Java Black

Don't take chances with diffs. I had a rear diff failure within 6000 miles from new. Rear diff problems start with vibration whic can be mistaken for front wheel balance. LR replaced 4 wheels, 4 tyres and 2 steering racks before the rear diff was replaced which cured the problem.

Yep, nothing to do Mr Adam, (yeah right). Just posting on here winds you all up, it's hilarious. Fact is I have been her longer than some of you. The old "men" posters enjoyed banter, most of you new posters seem a little sensitive and defensive when anyone disagrees with you.

Simples, I am not descended from convict stock, but wouldn't mind if I was. I still have a valid UK passport and my extended family lives down your way somewhere in the wilds of Dorset close to Yoevile I think. Gone - 2008 Stornoway Grey RRS 2.7 TDV6
Gone - 2009 Buckingham Blue RRS 2.7 TDV6
Gone - 2010 Alaska White RRS 5.0 V8 Aspirated
Gone - 2017 Chawton White RRS 5.0 V8 Supercharged
Current - 2010 Java Black RRS 5.0 V8 Aspirated
Current- 2024 RRS P400 SE Dynamic

Post #383991 Fri May 24 2013 2:26pm
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MisterAdam



Member Since: 03 May 2012
Location: Liverpool, UK
Posts: 352

United Kingdom 2006 Range Rover Sport TDV6 HSE Bonatti Grey

BKHK wrote:
Yep, nothing to do Mr Adam, (yeah right). Just posting on here winds you all up, it's hilarious. Fact is I have been her longer than some of you. The old "men" posters enjoyed banter, most of you new posters seem a little sensitive and defensive when anyone disagrees with you.

You posting on here doesn't bother me in all honestly, because I tend to scroll straight past your posts on here, I've only taken the time out to read this one as I knew you wouldn't be able to help yourself to a reply. You've been here longer than me for sure, congratulations on that. I'll go back to my usual style of browsing and not posting so much, I'm sure you'll continue with your usual charm. Current: 06 RR Sport HSE TDV6, Bonatti grey, black leather. Defender 90 pick up. Vito 110cdi

Previous: Mercedes CLS, BMW 330cd M sport, Nissan 200sx, Impreza STi, EP3 Civic Type R

Post #383995 Fri May 24 2013 2:53pm
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mse



Member Since: 08 Mar 2011
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United Kingdom 

Hes not been around that long and of his 900 posts, 889 of them are probably a waste of time. meaning since 2008 he has probably posted 11 useful, un-offensive or helpful posts...not a great record.

Obviously im just guessing at those numbers Mike

2014 Facelift Discovery

Post #383998 Fri May 24 2013 3:03pm
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RRSTDV8



Member Since: 12 Aug 2011
Location: Northamptonshire
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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Orkney Grey

The differential paint issue was identified by LR in an SSM apparently:

Quote:
Reference SSM41904
Models New Range Rover
LR3
Range Rover Sport
Title Front & Rear Differential Noise & Oil Leaks
Category Driveline
Last modified 03-Mar-2009 00:00:00
Symptom 509000 Axle Concerns
Content Front & Rear Differential Noise, Minor Oil Seal Leak & Debris in Oil.

Concern: Noise (Whine or humming) from the front or rear differential. A minor oil leak may be evident with possible debris in oil. Oil will be black in color.
Cause: The casing black paint /sealer degrades, detaches and contaminates the oil.
This results in the oil overheating which results in oil seal leaks and bearing noise.
Note: Differentials from the VINs quoted below are manufactured with a new casing paint which overcomes the above mentioned issues.

Please only raise an EPQR for differential issues which occur post the quoted VIN numbers:

Discovery 3 LR3 - LA8A459201
Range Rover Sport - LS8A141510
Range Rover. LM8A268394


Check your VIN against this to see if you might be susceptible. LR don't appear interested enough in it to make it something that dealers should sort so it's presumably been left as a time bomb for owners to deal with. My VIN is later than the one quoted in the SSM so I'm hoping mine isn't affected. I might get the diff fluids changed soon at the next service though as it doesn't appear to be a costly thing to have done. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

Post #384005 Fri May 24 2013 4:07pm
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simple1



Member Since: 15 Jan 2006
Location: Somerset
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United Kingdom 2007 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Cairns Blue

[quote="MisterAdam"]

BKHK wrote:
Yep, nothing to do Mr Adam, (yeah right). Just posting on here winds you all up, it's hilarious. Fact is I have been her longer than some of you. The old "men" posters enjoyed banter, most of you new posters seem a little sensitive and defensive when anyone disagrees with you.


I have been here since 2006 and didn't post much but often read without responding. Of late I have used my experience to attempt to help others while all I see and read in your particular case, is crap aimed at getting a rise out of folk.
I think I speak for most on here, and state that we are really not interested in people who can do little else but insult and ridicule while trying to be the Big I Am. If you have nothing constructive to say, say nothing as otherwise it won't be long before you will be placed in the second category by public vote and banning your sorry ar5e. Play nice or find another play area who might appreciate your humour more Thumbs Up 2x TDV6. SE and HSE. Both returned to sender with issues👀
TDV8 Sport HSE...... Gone. Loved it but it didn't love me!!
Now rolling in MY10 Fullfat TDV8 Vogue. Slammed it to go round corners🙈
Cruising daily #56 mph in a Volvo V8. 😱
Lots of other toys in the cupboard...😜

Post #384018 Fri May 24 2013 11:07pm
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Kensta



Member Since: 17 Feb 2011
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United Kingdom 2006 Range Rover Sport TDV6 HSE Java Black

Congrats on yor new motor Reidy Stornaway grey is a lovely colour
Thumbs Up Java black 2006

Post #384025 Sat May 25 2013 6:46am
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BKHK



Member Since: 05 May 2008
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Australia 2010 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Java Black

mse, You are a pilot (but won't say what you fly) and gentry, an absolute expert on RRS ....everything but 007 himself in fact, but wait....no, you can't be.

2000 (also mostly useless) posts in 2 years makes me think that those lives are more dream than reality. Gone - 2008 Stornoway Grey RRS 2.7 TDV6
Gone - 2009 Buckingham Blue RRS 2.7 TDV6
Gone - 2010 Alaska White RRS 5.0 V8 Aspirated
Gone - 2017 Chawton White RRS 5.0 V8 Supercharged
Current - 2010 Java Black RRS 5.0 V8 Aspirated
Current- 2024 RRS P400 SE Dynamic

Post #384026 Sat May 25 2013 9:04am
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