The only all season tyre available is Vredestein Quatrac 5 and it doesn't get good reviews in wet braking  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

The reason the police never changed to winter tyres was because when the weather got bad they came into our place (Waterside Land Rover) as it was then and took our stock of vehicles and used them for the duration. Don't think they bother with the jap dealers prob didn't have any winter tyres available  2008 G4 RRSport TDV8 current
2009 TDCi 90 current
2018 Discovery 5 HSE lux current
1994 Dakar current

Well the time arrived today after 840 miles running on electric and sipping petrol I decided to give the PHEV a drink so pulled into garage and parted with £35 to fill tank

That's 117.5 mpg and actually matches what the computer was showing

We had used the battery up to this point today so as an experiment I reset the computer with no battery left so relying on the petrol engine - it worked out at 60 mpg over the 26 miles coming home - I can't believe the DS was only averaging 35 mpg on Diesel

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Buy Muddy, can you honestly say you enjoy the Float as much as your Sport  In Spain - 2018 F Pace - Frightened away from the Sports due to crank failures
Gone - A couple of RRS, A couple of Disco's. However thinking of another Sport.

Well you can't knock that for economy. I guess JLR will have to get with the programme or be left in its wake. What's the performance like in the PHEV compared to RRS? Robin
2008 Range Rover Sport TDV8
Gone:
Jaguar S-Type V8 4.2 Sport
MGZTT 190 2.5

SRE - I didn't enjoy the sport because the seat was so uncomfortable every time the dealer bent me over

Seriously though - I did enjoy the sport when it was behaving and as long as I didn't visit the dealer - my final Black Edition was probably as good as it gets but the running costs were spoiling my enjoyment

I saw the DS as a viable alternative but I should of given up on LR and although the running costs were lower it wasn't up to my expectations - the PHEV has surpassed them

Eaters - on paper it's a lot slower than the RRS but it feels pretty nippy thanks to the instant torque from electric motors and boost from petrol engine - the hesitation on Auto stop start, ZF and diesel was a killer - could be literally on junctions and crossing dual carriageways

It's quieter than the RRS, nicer ride and looks like it will cost peanuts to run so I will get over the badge and enjoy it

As I've said before if I was going off road or pulling the twin axle caravan still I would of stuck with the RRS (or looked at the Shogun ) but for what I want now the PHEV will need to do something really bad for me to buy another new LR - still fancy a series though  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

The bit that confuses me is if the fuel economy/running cost is so important why spend a load of dosh on 'winter' tyres.

In all honesty, the weather in the majority of the UK rarely needs them. And, in any case, 90% of the other cars on the road will be in your way !

muddywheels wrote:

Well the time arrived today after 840 miles running on electric and sipping petrol I decided to give the PHEV a drink so pulled into garage and parted with £35 to fill tank

That's 117.5 mpg and actually matches what the computer was showing

We had used the battery up to this point today so as an experiment I reset the computer with no battery left so relying on the petrol engine - it worked out at 60 mpg over the 26 miles coming home - I can't believe the DS was only averaging 35 mpg on Diesel

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How much is a fill on RRS now - think it used to be about £110-120 for around 350 miles

Can't help but think that your regular "my float does big mpg, how bad is your Sport" posts are really just self justification for having chosen the float.

Did 2185 miles over 10 days driving down to Spain and back in my TDV8. I guess it probably used 90 gallons of diesel. Would it have been nice to have got better miles per gallon? Yes. Would I have wanted to do the trip in a milk float? No.

I do need the tow capability, of course, and the Sport goes off road - the reason for the Spanish jaunt after all.

If mpg was all that mattered we'd all be driving around in milk floats or little cars. I'd have an i3 quite happily, for example. But there is something lovely about a big, comfy, continent-crossing 4x4 that turns oil in to noise at a silly rate.  2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

I can afford to buy winter wheels and safety is important to me but I don't like wasting money - I work hard to get it so why waste it

The environment is important to me too so although I can afford 30 mpg it doesn't sit well if alternatives are available Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

RRSTDV8 wrote:

But there is something lovely about a big, comfy, continent-crossing 4x4 that turns oil in to noise at a silly rate.

Similar reasons why people enjoy steam engines too  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

I was referring more to "comfy" and "continent-crossing" than "turning oil to noise" btw. Both cars serve different purposes. Reading your posts, RRS clearly can't compete with your Outlander on economy but RRS has other qualities where PHEV may be lacking.

Please keep updating us. Very interested in your experience  Current: Volvo XC90 T8 Inscription Pro PHEV with some optionals on top
Gone: MY16 RRS2 3.0 SDV6 Autobiography Dynamic, Carpathian Grey & Santorini Black Sliding Pano/Ebony & Ivory 2 Tone
Gone: MY13 RRS 3.0 SDV6 HSE Black Edition, Orkney Grey/Ivory
Gone: MY09 RRS 2.7 TDV6 HSE, Santorini Black/Almond

I know what you meant fkarim

We used to cruise down to Oxford regularly in the RRS and it was a very pleasurable experience - furthest I've been so far in the phev in a day is 165 miles so a little less but still very comfortable - sadly I couldn't say the same about the DS trip we did before changing - the DS fell short of the RRS standard which is why it's cheaper than the RRS - the phev is cheaper still but manages to come close

At first I felt some shame and embarrassed leaving the fold but no more - I've seen the area at Gaydon where they strip down competition and see how it's done - I recommend they get this done on a phev if they haven't done already  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

I have just got home after 2.5 days in London for quick Buisness meeting. I haven't been to the UK for about 4 years. Traffic between Heathrow and the City is mental, Tower Bridge closed and the stupid cycle lanes along the river seem to take as much space as the road. They have made it almost gridlock. I saw 5 or 6 PHEVS, only 3 RRS and about 8 FFRRs sitting in traffic in a cab. Congestion charge doesn't seem to reduce the.....congestion. Gone - 2008 Stornoway Grey RRS 2.7 TDV6
Gone - 2009 Buckingham Blue RRS 2.7 TDV6
Gone - 2010 Alaska White RRS 5.0 V8 Aspirated
Gone - 2017 Chawton White RRS 5.0 V8 Supercharged
Current - 2010 Java Black RRS 5.0 V8 Aspirated
Current- 2024 RRS P400 SE Dynamic