I guess to shut up the nay sayers allow the older defender to have its perks.

mgrover wrote:

itd be cool if someone did an Apples to Apples comparision. Ie took an old defender. took a new defender. went to some random inaccessible place in the world to see how they'd fair.

mgrover wrote:

I guess to shut up the nay sayers allow the older defender to have its perks.

oh defo, i mean the new one is fully pimped out from factory. But if the new one thats factory stock beats a pimped out old on then the argument of why cant we customise it becomes invalid because theres clearly no need.

The PowerfulUK video was interesting. He really does need to learn what the various TR options do. Sticking it in rock crawl and then charging at the obstacle defeats the purpose of rock crawl. Rock crawl is about very low speed, maximum articulation, maximum traction control, loads of low down torque. And it works well if you use it accordingly.

I'd like to have seen him use rock crawl and try to drive up it slowly. It might have done a better job, it might have got stuck - the tyres were muddy as was the surface.

I'm willing to bet that he was told by the others to take a run at it because that's what you do in an old school vehicle. I'd have liked to have seen both approaches just to see, really. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

Yes he is new to off roading and is learning what the settings do.
Got some off road wheels/tyres now too

mgrover wrote:

oh defo, i mean the new one is fully pimped out from factory. But if the new one thats factory stock beats a pimped out old on then the argument of why cant we customise it becomes invalid because theres clearly no need.

5-star rating for the ND: https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/land-rover/defender/41395

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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged V8 HSE Dynamic



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

let's not even speculate what would have happened to the occupants had this been a "Real" Defender

(skip to 2:41.30 for the relevant bit)


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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged V8 HSE Dynamic



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

That was scary! 2023 P440e SE Dynamic on order -cancelled

2022 HSE Dynamic P400e

2017 Discovery 3.0 HSE Silicon Silver Nimbus interior and a few extra toys SOLD

2013 HSE Black, Orkney Grey, Ebony Seats and Ivory Interior SOLD

2006 HSE

Plus a few other cars inbetween!

New all-electric Land Rover Defender on the way with 300-mile range: https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/d...mile-range

"... The latest version of the popular 4x4 was only introduced in 2020, yet it’s likely that we’ll see fully electric versions of the 90, 110 and 130 arriving as part of a refreshed Defender line-up in 2025, with cars reaching customers in 2026.

The move is likely to mean a switch in platform tech, from the current D7 Premium Lightweight Architecture to Land Rover’s advanced new MLA Flex platform. MLA can support fully electric powertrains as well as internal combustion engines, and already underpins the firm’s new Range Rover and Range Rover Sport models, with all-electric versions of those cars due from 2024.

The switch in platform will come at a time when the Defender is due a mid-life refresh, but don’t expect huge alterations to the car’s look, despite the change in architecture. As with the Discovery Sport when it switched platforms to Land Rover’s Premium Transverse Architecture in 2019 (as part of a mid-life update) to allow for greater electrification, the look and dimensions of the Defender are expected to remain the same.

There may be some changes to the infotainment system inside, with a slightly larger screen, but the cabin design has been so well received by customers that it’s not expected to be altered too much. An increase in the use of sustainable materials is likely, though, as Land Rover looks to boost its credentials in this area.

The firm’s engineers are bullish about the prospect of its iconic 4x4 going electric and the benefits this will bring to its off-road performance. Greater control of the electric power delivery through software management is possible, along with advanced torque vectoring. Both will further boost the Defender’s serious off-roading ability, while a completely flat underside will deliver greater ground clearance, too.

Technical details of the Defender EV’s sister vehicle, the all-electric Range Rover due in 2024, have yet to be revealed, but Land Rover insiders suggest a battery of around 100kWh will fit easily within the MLA platform, and the aim will be for at least 300 miles of all-electric running.

We’re yet to see how Land Rover differentiates the look of its all-electric models from internal combustion-engined cars, but with less cooling needed, we’d expect the intakes on the ICE model to be blanked over for the electric version – as previewed by our exclusive Defender EV image. ..."

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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged V8 HSE Dynamic



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

no matter what they do, it MUST have the tank turn feature!!!

https://twitter.com/GregKable/status/1594833774856003586 --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged V8 HSE Dynamic



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

Land Rover Defender Arctic Trucks AT35: https://www.autoevolution.com/news/land-ro...07282.html




"...Enter Iceland-based Arctic Trucks, or better said the off-road specialist’s Russian subsidiary. Based on the family-sized 110 with the mild-hybrid sixer under the hood, the AT35 in the featured clip doesn’t break a sweat on snowy trails in sub-zero weather. As implied, the main difference over the standard model comes in the guise of tires. As opposed to 255/50 by 20s (make that 30.1 inches for the outer diameter), the Land Rover Defender Arctic Trucks AT35 flaunts 315/60 by 20s (34.9 inches).

The 12.4-inch-wide tires are complemented by double-spoke wheels finished in dark gray. Arctic Trucks Russia further sweetens the deal with spacers for the front and rear suspension, updated geometry fore and aft, wheel-arch extensions at every corner of the luxury-oriented sport utility vehicle, anti-corrosion coating, branded mudguards, Artic Trucks bodyside decals, a recalibrated speedometer, and a torque wrench.

This fellow also boasts a ground clearance of 360 millimeters (14.1 inches) as opposed to 290 millimeters (11.4 inches) fully stock. In terms of approach and departure angles, the Russian subsidiary lists 39.1 and 40.1 degrees with coil springs or 38 and 40 degrees with air suspension.

Curb weight estimate? That would be anything between 2,541 and 2,598 kilograms (5,602 to 5,728 pounds), and the turning radius is a little worse as well at 7.5 meters (24.6 feet) compared to 6.5 meters (21.3 feet) unmodified. Arctic Trucks Russia didn’t publish any pricing details for the AT35 package, but don’t expect these modifications to come cheap. ..."

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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged V8 HSE Dynamic



Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

Shame one has to give ones money to Russians to get that upgrade, eh? 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

My (leased) sport is going back shortly and I've replaced it with a defender commercial. Having been an owner of 3 "old" style defenders in the past, I have to say the new one drives brilliantly, and the various offroad "aids" work extremely well. As someone says above, no need to charge at obstacles, it'll just go over them with decent tyres.

Say what you want about the ND, but its safety is undeniable: https://www.facebook.com/groups/7845373949...755778183/

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