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mgrover

Member Since: 17 Oct 2019
Location: Leeds
Posts: 393

2006 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Java Black

I just don't get the point of it. It seems more like a status symbol than sensible. Cashing in on the defender name.

I'd quite like it with a v8, it's nice and clean for my uses which will no doubt get it mucky. But it'd still be a glorified suv in my hands. All the people who would push it to its limits seem unhappy with it

Thu Aug 27 2020 3:46pm

RRSTDV8

Member Since: 12 Aug 2011
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 8988

2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Orkney Grey

The new Defender will get as much off road use as most of the old Defenders sold in the last few years of production will do. Most are used as commuting vehicles and "life style symbols".

The new Defender will go places the old one couldn't even dream of. That's the sad reality of it. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

Thu Aug 27 2020 3:59pm

naks

Member Since: 15 Jul 2016
Location: Stellenbosch
Posts: 1172

2013 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Siberian Silver

Aussie review

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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged V8 HSE Dynamic

Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

Fri Aug 28 2020 7:10am

naks

Member Since: 15 Jul 2016
Location: Stellenbosch
Posts: 1172

Looks like the New Defender comes with guaranteed brown-pants moments as well!

Skip to the 50min mark for brake failure/malfunction, KAK scary!!!

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2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged V8 HSE Dynamic

Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

Fri Aug 28 2020 7:30am

naks

Member Since: 15 Jul 2016
Location: Stellenbosch
Posts: 1172

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEZX0eWFxH9/

"P300 new defender running @evocorsewheels thanks to @noroadclub running what looks to be 34 or 35 inch sand tyres in the middle east." --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
2015 Range Rover Sport Supercharged V8 HSE Dynamic

Defender Puma Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zZ1en9
Discovery 4 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zXrtKO
Range Rover/Sport L320/L322/L494 Workshop Manual: https://bit.ly/2zc58JQ

Fri Aug 28 2020 7:43am

RRSTDV8

Member Since: 12 Aug 2011
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 8988

naks wrote:
Looks like the New Defender comes with guaranteed brown-pants moments as well!

Skip to the 50min mark for brake failure/malfunction, KAK scary!!!

Yeah, that is scary. Couldn't see if it was a brake failure or just the engine stalling and him not getting it restarted. As it was whizzing backwards quickly, I'd guess it's a stalled engine.

There have been examples of the ZF gearbox stalling the engine in Discos and RRSs before - we had an example of it in Les Comes last time we were out there. Shouldn't happen but I think the lock up clutch locks up as the system thinks it's going well and then you suddenly stop the wheels and the lock up clutch doesn't disengage in time.

No doubt if he'd had a more appropriate tyre for the conditions, the Defender would have walked up that track. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

Fri Aug 28 2020 9:00am

Zilch

Member Since: 20 Mar 2006
Location: Sydney, sometimes the Whitsundays
Posts: 2835

2010 Range Rover Sport 3.0 TDV6 HSE Fuji White

RRSTDV8 wrote:
The new Defender will get as much off road use as most of the old Defenders sold in the last few years of production will do. Most are used as commuting vehicles and "life style symbols".

The new Defender will go places the old one couldn't even dream of. That's the sad reality of it.

Well said sir

Another Pommie Bar Steward down under

MY20 Defender 110 SE P400 Eiger/Ebony
MY10 3.0 RRS TDv6 Fuji/Ebony/Anigre

Fri Aug 28 2020 11:24am

richamartin

Member Since: 16 Dec 2012
Location: Cotswolds
Posts: 251

2013 Range Rover Sport 4.4 V8 Baltic Blue

mgrover wrote:
I just don't get the point of it. It seems more like a status symbol than sensible. Cashing in on the defender name.

I'd quite like it with a v8, it's nice and clean for my uses which will no doubt get it mucky. But it'd still be a glorified suv in my hands. All the people who would push it to its limits seem unhappy with it

The problem is that people automatically hate any iconic replacement, as it's new....despite the fact that by almost all calculations, the original was a god awful car (I know from experience). Terribly noisy and uncomfortable to drive on any surface, unreliable (Unless you are a mechanic), easy to steal and above all else, not actually that good off road, compared to many other modern equivalents. The only thing it has in its favour is the nostalgia.

Which admittedly, JLR are looking to cash in on very successfully. But how is that different from Porsche using the "718" name, or VW continuing to redevelop the Golf for countless iterations...

I will be the first to agree that the new one is hugely overpriced compared to something like the Disco Sport, which is just as good for most peoples uses. But lets be honest, how many people with a 90/110 actually take them off road....properly off road? Less than 5%, and i think that's generous.

Yes it's a bit of a status symbol for anew generation of yuppie buyers (Or car nuts, like me).....but if buying them means more money to develop Range Rovers, better tech and increasing reliability across the group....is that a bad thing? Now
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2022 SVR
2021 Bentley Continental GT
2020 Defender 110
2022 Defender 90 V8
Plus 16 other toys!

Fri Aug 28 2020 2:35pm

richamartin

Member Since: 16 Dec 2012
Location: Cotswolds
Posts: 251

Zilch wrote:
RRSTDV8 wrote:
The new Defender will get as much off road use as most of the old Defenders sold in the last few years of production will do. Most are used as commuting vehicles and "life style symbols".

The new Defender will go places the old one couldn't even dream of. That's the sad reality of it.

Well said sir

Sums it up perfectly... Now
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2022 SVR
2021 Bentley Continental GT
2020 Defender 110
2022 Defender 90 V8
Plus 16 other toys!

Fri Aug 28 2020 2:36pm

RRSTDV8

Member Since: 12 Aug 2011
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 8988

richamartin wrote:
But lets be honest, how many people with a 90/110 actually take them off road....properly off road? Less than 5%, and i think that's generous.

Probably not far off. The Defender was made for a little over 30 years, at about 20,000 a year on average. Certainly fewer than 750,000 built (not the 2 million that LR trumpeted when they auctioned one for charity - the 2 million of course including all of the Series vehicles too). So 5% is 30,000-40,000 going off road. That's probably fair if you look over the entire world. In the UK, there are as many D1, D2, Classic RR, and P38s around the off road scene as there are Defenders. Sure, the Defender has a following amongst some off roading types, but they are expensive compared to an old D1 or D2 which are basically just comfortable versions of the Defender anyway. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

Fri Aug 28 2020 3:48pm

mgrover

Member Since: 17 Oct 2019
Location: Leeds
Posts: 393

richamartin wrote:
mgrover wrote:
I just don't get the point of it. It seems more like a status symbol than sensible. Cashing in on the defender name.

I'd quite like it with a v8, it's nice and clean for my uses which will no doubt get it mucky. But it'd still be a glorified suv in my hands. All the people who would push it to its limits seem unhappy with it

The problem is that people automatically hate any iconic replacement, as it's new....despite the fact that by almost all calculations, the original was a god awful car (I know from experience). Terribly noisy and uncomfortable to drive on any surface, unreliable (Unless you are a mechanic), easy to steal and above all else, not actually that good off road, compared to many other modern equivalents. The only thing it has in its favour is the nostalgia.

Which admittedly, JLR are looking to cash in on very successfully. But how is that different from Porsche using the "718" name, or VW continuing to redevelop the Golf for countless iterations...

I will be the first to agree that the new one is hugely overpriced compared to something like the Disco Sport, which is just as good for most peoples uses. But lets be honest, how many people with a 90/110 actually take them off road....properly off road? Less than 5%, and i think that's generous.

Yes it's a bit of a status symbol for anew generation of yuppie buyers (Or car nuts, like me).....but if buying them means more money to develop Range Rovers, better tech and increasing reliability across the group....is that a bad thing?

oh not at all, am on my first RR so i can't really be making decisions for the brand just yet

but i guess with the amount of cars LR produces,

its quite large range(no pun intended), did they really need yet another onroad car? Couldn't they of focused on making this an off road badass that'll make every other car in the desert with it run away.

the things you said at the end yeah i can agree with, more sales, more money, better cars in the future.

Fri Sep 04 2020 4:48pm

Zilch

Member Since: 20 Mar 2006
Location: Sydney, sometimes the Whitsundays
Posts: 2835

well after 345 days from when we put our deposit down, i finally got eyes on our new P400 110 SE
prior to PDI and dealer accessories being fitted

The RRS will stay, two Landies in the garage, what possibly could go wrong i must need my head tested

Another Pommie Bar Steward down under

MY20 Defender 110 SE P400 Eiger/Ebony
MY10 3.0 RRS TDv6 Fuji/Ebony/Anigre

Tue Sep 29 2020 2:26am

garrycol

Member Since: 30 Nov 2010
Location: Canberra
Posts: 1067

Don't like it - send it back 07MY RRS TDV6
Arctic Frost
Aspen Interior

Tue Sep 29 2020 3:42am

Zilch

Member Since: 20 Mar 2006
Location: Sydney, sometimes the Whitsundays
Posts: 2835

Quote:
Don't like it - send it back

to late the wife paid the balance on it yesterday (with my money of course

) Another Pommie Bar Steward down under

MY20 Defender 110 SE P400 Eiger/Ebony
MY10 3.0 RRS TDv6 Fuji/Ebony/Anigre

Tue Sep 29 2020 4:21am

garrycol

Member Since: 30 Nov 2010
Location: Canberra
Posts: 1067

I will give you $50K AUD for it 07MY RRS TDV6
Arctic Frost
Aspen Interior

Tue Sep 29 2020 5:07am

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