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Lsv



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Disabling Active anti rollbar on TDV8

There has been written a fair lot about the dreaded Active antirollbar system on the RR Sport...
I was thinking of replacing the entire system with standard solid sway bars from the Discovery 4.
In theory, this should fit onto an L320 RR Sport, as the chassis components seem to be the same.

Apparently there are two dynamic versions available. One being only the front axle, and the second version, where the front and rear axle are exquipped with a hydraulic sway bar. (TDV8 and Supercharged?)

Has anyone performed this action before? And more interesting question I have, has anyone tried to emulate the sensor data, so the dreaded red light on the dashboard would not appear?

I assume there will be a number of pressure sensors, which have to operate withn certain values. Does anyone know where these sensors would be located and, what sensor data they would receive during dormal driving conditions?

Apparently there is no software package available which resolves this. The only proof that it should be feasible is the Bowler EXR-S, which is based on the RR Sport and hasn't got this system (but uses the RR Sport ECU/ BECM modules).

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Socast



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Swapping the bars out should be straight forward enough, as would removing the old redundant piping. You would need a either a shorter serpentine belt or idler pulley to replace the ACE pump.

You won't need to emulate any sensor data/signals as you simply tell the system that ACE isn't installed.

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Disco_Mikey



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I'll be attempting this with my TDV8 Disco 3 Thumbs Up

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Lsv



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Hello,

I managed to reroute the serpentine belt, without the ACE pump inline.
It merely uses a shorter belt. That was the easy part.

I'm curious about the software solution to shut off the ACE system. My local Landrover specialist said it wasn't possible?
What system can be used to deselect the ACE option? Does anyone perhaps have a screenshot? (ROVACOM/TESTBOOK or equivalent).

I got a used front sway bar and measured it and seems to fit without any problems, just a little of work. The rear bar seems to be a bit more work, as you need to lift the body slightly. The official way would be body off, but it should be possible to loosen the body bolts and gently lift the rear of the body. By this means there should be enough clearance to get the bar out.

This will also enable me to remove the dead weight counter weight parts on the back of the car.
Still thinking of pursuing it further from there... I have a Bowler EXR-S Rollcage lying around Smile

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Disco_Mikey



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The counter weights are needed. Don't remove them Thumbs Up

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RRSTDV8



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Why would you bother doing all of this? The RRS is supposed to be a better road-handling vehicle than the Disco. The DR bars also make for better off road ability than the solid bars - the system effectively behaves as if there are no bars when off road. It has its flaws but the pluses massively outweigh the minuses. By the time you've done all of this, made the vehicle a poorly performing example and worthless at resale, you may as well just replace a worn bar and have all of the benefits.

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2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

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Disco_Mikey



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I find the DR promotes a lot of understeer...

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RRSTDV8



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Can't say I've noticed lots of understeer in over 100k miles with my TDV8.

I'd be interested to see what the large lump of the TDV8 motor does to handling with solid bars designed for the lighter TDV6, however. I reckon it'll wallow like a pig in mud. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

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RRSTDV8



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Re: Disabling Active anti rollbar on TDV8

Lsv wrote:


Apparently there are two dynamic versions available. One being only the front axle, and the second version, where the front and rear axle are exquipped with a hydraulic sway bar. (TDV8 and Supercharged?)


I think DR only comes with both bars on the RRS. The Disco 2 had ACE on the rear bar only.

The RRS has two tunes for the DR system - one for the Supercharged and one for the TDV8. Presumably these tunes account for the difference in weight of the engines. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

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Guyzer73



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Lsv wrote:
Hello,

Still thinking of pursuing it further from there... I have a Bowler EXR-S Rollcage lying around Smile


Have to ask where from and why have you got a Bowler EXR-S roll cage in your garage???

Cheers

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Is the DR set-up on TDv8 the same as the one that was on 2.7TDv6 HSE's fitted with the optional DR - this option also included the heavy duty steering rack that allowed you to run 20" wheels in the early days of RRS? 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
Can't say I've noticed lots of understeer in over 100k miles with my TDV8.

I'd be interested to see what the large lump of the TDV8 motor does to handling with solid bars designed for the lighter TDV6, however. I reckon it'll wallow like a pig in mud.


Not allowing for body roll, my D3 feels absolutely planted, and can hustle a good few hot hatches through the twisties Wink

No idea what an extra 120kg over the front axle will do though...

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I found the 2.7 very understeery and unwieldy, the tdv8 with the DR is a lot more planted. It has undersreered once, on a patch of diesel on a roundabout, at which point I was very grateful to the stability!

I would expect to be able to disable the DR in the car config with iidtool. As above, I wouldn't want to!

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Tim in Scotland wrote:
Is the DR set-up on TDv8 the same as the one that was on 2.7TDv6 HSE's fitted with the optional DR - this option also included the heavy duty steering rack that allowed you to run 20" wheels in the early days of RRS?

The TDV8 had the uprated rack as standard.

The DR in the TDV8 uses a larger internal piston diameter in the rear bar than the one fitted to the TDV6 or S/C. The TDV8 has a different "map" in the DR module to the one used by the TDV6 / S/C. The relevant tunes are held in the DR module and selected when the module is installed. The TDV8 also has one slightly different pipe from the pump to the valve block compared to the others. This is to allow it to be removed more easily - presumably because the engine bay is so congested in the TDV8 because of the turbos etc. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

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