2005 RRS HSE Arctic Frost (more like Scotch mist)

"When you are going through Hell - keep going!" Sir W Churchill

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RRSTDV8 wrote:

Whenever I see one of Marvik's posts, I just see this character:
https://youtu.be/G36BWq5xrM0?t=4m22s

 Currently driving:
MY 2015 RRS SDV6 Dynamic Fuji White
Mini Cooper S

Gone:
MY13 RR Evoque Dynamic Black
MY12 RRS SDV6 HSE Luxury Baltic Blue
2012 Land Rover Freelander2 2.2 TD4 XS Fuji White
2012 BMW 320d Sport Arctic White
2009 Mazda RX8 R3 Grey
2005 BMW 523i SE Grey

Neils RRS wrote:

But that's the thing, my AMG merc cost nearly twice what the RRS cost new and has cost 1/3 of what the RRS has to run in nearly 4 times the length of ownership and the merc is 5 years older than the RRS.

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By far the worst truck/vehicle i have ever worked on or ever owned and ive owned a heap of cars.

French engine in a LR truck -- the individual who decided that needs a bullet.

I've rebuilt my engine after 19k miles due to crank failure and now its smoking after 110 miles from rebuild. I hate the truck but i also love it. Every time i turn the key it cost money.

I would never advise anyone to buy one of the tdv6 or tdv8,

Pure junk and outrageous design with this body off just to do a basic job, Its pathetic

I've had many 150 quid run around like my 255k dci clio van i got for my dogs and it starts first time every time and its never let me down not once in the 4 years i've had it. 50mpg and you don't have to take the body off to do a small job like a alternator, which also dosnt cost 1500 labour just for body off..........

Jon

SPX wrote:

I've owned numerous Mercedes (over twenty) and "only" three LR's; one Disco3 and two RRS's (a TDV6 & TDV8) and got to say that in my experience LR has been exemplary far more reliable than Mercedes.

The only place I would buy a second hand RRS or any other topend motor would be a main dealer with a 2 year warranty,then trade in when 2 year old or extend the warranty,I'm on my 5 RRS plus a few RangeRovers before these & ive never spent a penny on repairs & to be honest I've only had 2 issues with the sports,1st being a parkbrake problem on a 2008 TDV8 & a suspension issue on a 2012 sdv6 & both problems were sorted under warranty.If you can't afford to run one don't buy one.

Andy. Andy.
21 Ford Ranger
Gone but not forgotten
Focus RS Red Edition
2015 RRS AB Fuji.
2014 RRS SC Santorini
2016 VW Amarok
2014 RRS AB Fuji
2012 RRS Red Edition Fuji
2015 Nissan Navara
2012 RRS SE Santorini
2008 RRS White
2007 RRS Santorino

nosmokenopoke wrote:

French engine in a LR truck -- the individual who decided that needs a bullet.

Yes your right there sir, and what a poor job they did with it.

Anything hdi or know as tdci in fords of course is all throw away after 3 years. Thats why these cars only ever fail just outside of their warranty.

The 1.6 hdi in all citroens and fords and bmw mini ect ect are all .

I love RRS but never again for me. I was going to buy the supercharged but thought it would cost a fortune to run, but even if i bought it, it would of still been cheaper than any tdv6 awaiting a crankshaft failure. Ive built these engines and got to say they are rubbish. The quality of the internal parts are some what like MADE IN THE P.R.C (china as we know it). Terrible quality.

Im in a mood I got my truck out on the drive, DEAD AGAIN. Ill have a post up shortly

Any cars can have problems. Ive got a bmw, nothing but issues.
I think landrovers go wrong as much as any other car but the more quality the car the more expensive the repairs...

Best motto ive heard about landrovers though...... "you don't buy a land rover for its reliability"

nosmokenopoke wrote:

I love RRS but never again for me.

I solved this whole Diesel issue with getting a petrol one instead  Regards etc.,

Wojtek

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WAS: 2006 RRS Supercharged
IS: 2010 RRS TDV8 HSE

Still on my first RRS – MY08 TDV6. 263,000km no major problems. Had it since 150k. I’ve lost a lot in depreciation so I won’t be selling it any time soon!
Replaced timing belt/oil pump, alternator, suspension compressor, front LCAs. That’s all.

OEM parts are fairly expensive but I install them myself so save money there and everything is done properly.

It needs new shocks all around and the sunroof is rattling a bit, that’s ALL that’s wrong with it. They do have some weak points, but overall I think they’re well thought out and well built cars and a pleasure to drive, and between these and the D3/4 there’s probably no more practical vehicle out there! Find me another such vehicle by another manufacturer that does not have issues over time. You won’t find any. I’ve spent 3 weekends out of the last month working on an Audi allroad 2.7t that also has air suspension etc. It has long suffered from lack of maintenance and the list of things wrong with it is simply mind boggling. Have barely made a dent to be honest!

That said I’ve also had three Audis of my own, including the infamous B5 S4, all of them have been great cars to own and run. The S4 was slightly more expensive to run than the RRS in this regard. The other two (A4 1.8ts) have been cheap to run. All are high milers with more than 300,000km and I’ve done at least 100,000km in each myself (nearly 200k in one of the A4s).

My local dealer (the dealer for both Audi and LR) I would have to say is absolutely incompetent. If I had to rely on them for repairs I would most probably be in the same boat as the OP. I don’t have time or inkling for that. Far easier and cheaper to buy all the right tools and do the work myself. By the time I’d paid for 2 services with those clowns I could buy my own hoist! MY08 RRS TDV6, Chawton/Black, sunroof, hk, 268k km
2001 Audi A4 1.8T quattro 5mt sport, 340k km
1990 Nissan Pintara TRX, lots of mods, 438k km

RRSTDV8 wrote:

I think they're well engineered but then cheaply built - hence common failures on bought in items such as alternators, compressors etc. The TDV8 is slightly different - I think it's been engineered to fit in a too-small engine bay and this has given us a potential turbo failure legacy. Otherwise, they seem pretty well thought out.

The dealerships are very patchy though - a service by a bad mechanic is probably worse than having no service at all. Misaligned oil filters, for example, will quickly damage the engine. I had a steering rack damaged by a LR main dealership when they took the body off to replace my TDV8's turbos. Starter motor was replaced without the breather pipe resulting in premature failure. That was due to a LR dealership getting it wrong. These failures don't necessarily manifest themselves straight away so you end up thinking "this is a bad vehicle" when really the problem is "this vehicle has not been cared for by the garage".

For a bit of perspective ...

A work colleague has a BMW 520 d (60 plate). the cam chain stretched or snapped, with predictable results (is a simplex one on the 4-pot). On the current models, it's located at the rear of the engine, not at the front. BMW wanted something like 5K to rectify. After a bit of research he found a BMW recommended specialist who would fix it (engine out and refurb) for £3,500.
Apparently, this is a very common failure.

Another friend has Citroen C4 which needed a new clutch. (It's not a new'ish vehicle). The dealer said it's 10 hours labour, as the engine needs to come out. So he took it to an indie, who said the same, but that he won't do it, because they naturally have to unplug lots of connectors, and when they connect it all up again, they can never clear all the faults. This results in all their profit being wasted trying to get it running again.

Just a small sample of other peoples woes I admit, and I do feel peoples pain when faced with repeatedly large bills on a car, but I think we can often be more forgiving of say a German car than we are with a British one. (Just my two-pence worth, please ignore if you like.)

Japanese and Korean made cars can also be a nightmare when things do go wrong, often there is also a very long wait for spares to arrive from the Orient too with 5-6 weeks transit time by sea (Japanese and Korean car makers don't seem to have learned about courier services either so you end up waiting for ships to make the passage from Far East to Europe). They also seem to have short lifespan for their designs making some parts obsolete in 5-6 years unlike European makers. 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - soon to be replaced
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW