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TheWojtek Member Since: 08 May 2015 Location: PoznaĆ, Poland Posts: 737 |
Still, money can be won. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-to-happen Regards etc.,
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Wed Jun 15 2016 9:47am |
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Tim in Scotland Member Since: 30 May 2005 Location: Driving along in my automobile Posts: 17476 |
Just heard an interesting snippet on the R4 news at 1100............... A poll in France asked people Leave or Remain like the UK? More than 50% of respondents said Leave! Worrying times for the plutocrats in Brussels and Strasbourg! 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
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Mon Jun 20 2016 10:13am |
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ilard Member Since: 20 Aug 2010 Location: London Posts: 975 |
The French only want to leave because they fear the Brits will remain. Which we will! L405 P400e Autobiography (MY2020)... Silicon Silver / Espresso
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Tue Jun 21 2016 9:46pm |
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adameverett Member Since: 14 Nov 2015 Location: Warwick Posts: 110 |
OUT, why would we want to be poor relation to the united states of Europe. We are not in the currency, we don't share the same beliefs and values. They will bleed us dry and will always be outvoted. An EU army is in the making, and quite rightly! Why does each member state need budgetary control and wasting money on their own defence plans? The federalised states do not need their own identity and defence, this is better managed and commanded through the undemocratic unelected Brussels elites who will look after the member bloc.
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Wed Jun 22 2016 6:44am |
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ilard Member Since: 20 Aug 2010 Location: London Posts: 975 |
As a REMAIN I think my concern goes beyond short term economic bumps. If you can picture Farage or Johnson shouting "Freedom!" with their faces painted with a red cross then I think they are conning you. They are not revolutionaries, they're just career mad politicians.
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Wed Jun 22 2016 9:51am |
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Lost for Words Member Since: 15 Jan 2015 Location: Warminster, Wiltshire Posts: 1477 |
I beg to differ. Locking ourselves in the EU box is terrible for trade and competitiveness. These economic unions simply give market preferences that we need to avoid. We need a global outlook without favouring certain markets over others, we need a fairer immigration system that doesn't discriminate against those from outside the EU and we need to work together as allies, not boss each other around and enforce commonality.
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Wed Jun 22 2016 10:49am |
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RRSTDV8 Member Since: 12 Aug 2011 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 8974 |
Who builds those appliances in Malaysia, not Britain... 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders 2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed |
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Wed Jun 22 2016 4:09pm |
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adameverett Member Since: 14 Nov 2015 Location: Warwick Posts: 110 |
Everyone can quote figures on both sides, all the numbers are doubtful. For me it is really very simple. Who do you want running the country? A British parliament, or unelected EU figures.
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Wed Jun 22 2016 5:21pm |
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RRSTDV8 Member Since: 12 Aug 2011 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 8974 |
The EU is elected. The EU Parliament (MEPs) are elected directly by the people. The Council of Ministers is an elected representative from each country depending on what is being discussed e.g. Ministers of Agriculture if discussing agriculture. Then there are the heads of state of each country that get together as the European Council. The European Council sets the political direction that the EU takes. The Parliament passes legislation that is brought forward by the European Commission. The Commission takes direction from the Council I.e. the heads of state group. The Commission is made up of one Commissioner from each State who is appointed by that State. There is a layer of bureaucrats below this who are analogous with the UK civil service.
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Wed Jun 22 2016 7:54pm |
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fdhadi Member Since: 17 Feb 2015 Location: Wigan Posts: 180 |
if Britain is so important to the EU why haven't the unknown, unelected bureaucrats with no fiscal accountability in Brussels with their highly EU-expensed lifestyles haven't spent some of our money in popping over to Britain to plead the case for Britain to remain in the EU? Where are they?
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Wed Jun 22 2016 9:05pm |
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ilard Member Since: 20 Aug 2010 Location: London Posts: 975 |
Before you vote, read this:
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Wed Jun 22 2016 9:54pm |
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Johnski Member Since: 02 Sep 2015 Location: North Wales & North Yorkshire Posts: 1407 |
One good reason to vote out, is that the EU accounts have never been signed off by an auditor or office.
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Wed Jun 22 2016 10:33pm |
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fkarim Member Since: 14 Apr 2012 Location: London Posts: 2216 |
ilard, RRSTDV8: you're wasting your energy. Let me waste some of my time here too. There are 3 main underlying reasons/motives driving support for Leave, no matter how they sugarcoat it and no matter what excuses they come up with. I will not list those reasons here ( don't want to get banned ). Due to the very nature of those reasons, they will not be convinced regardless of how factual, logical and objective your arguments are. Most prefer believing sensationalist and populist media outlets than (being capable of) researching facts
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Wed Jun 22 2016 11:53pm |
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RRSTDV8 Member Since: 12 Aug 2011 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 8974 |
That's an excellent article. Shame the xenophobes, bigots and mouth-breathers voting Leave won't read it or understand it... 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders 2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed |
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Thu Jun 23 2016 7:31am |
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