If you leave the stop/start operational then put it into N and apply the parking beake and you can take your foot of the foot brake, the engine will stay stopped and saves wear and tear on the eyes of the driver in the car following you not having the rear lit up up like Blackpool Front with red lights, and stops the gear box trying to cook the transmission fluid driving against the footbrake. 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
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Neutral... It reduces the wear on the torque converter unless it is the new 8 speed zf.... However there are a number of reasons also why you should leave in neutral

Firstly if you are in drive and on the footbrake you are blinding the people behind with your brake lights....
Secondly if you are on the footbrake you are likely to increase the chance of warping your discs caused by a hotspot holding hot pads against the disc...

Thirdly if you are rear ended you are more likely to shoot off as you are in gear....

Correct method is park brake and select neutral.... You should only ever hold on the footbrake for no more than 5 seconds..

What do you do when you want to set off if you've put the car in Neutral and applied the handbrake?
You press the footbrake in order to get it into gear, do you then release the handbrake (parkbrake) manually, or leave it on and allow it to release automatically when you set off?

It's not a criticism, I'm just curious. I'm in the shed, I'll be back in the real world in a minute.

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Russben wrote:

What do you do when you want to set off if you've put the car in Neutral and applied the handbrake?
You press the footbrake in order to get it into gear, do you then release the handbrake (parkbrake) manually, or leave it on and allow it to release automatically when you set off?

It's not a criticism, I'm just curious.

Was always taught to anticipate the lights by watching the other lights controlling the junction... When they go red I select the gear and release the brake manually.... Just find its smoother and more comfortable for the passengers... Holding it for the few seconds on the footbrake....just prior to the lights changing let off the brake and pull smoothly away....

A Land Rover Experience instructor told me that you should normally leave it in D unless you are expecting to be stationary for an extended period of time. According to him the car is clever enough and reduces the drive by 75% when at rest so it is not left battling against the brakes. Never got round to verifying this statement from other sources though. Current: Volvo XC90 T8 Inscription Pro PHEV with some optionals on top
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As the manual states, if stationary for a prolonged period then select P or N. I reckon They would expect most folks to leave in D for lights and Junction hold ups. Can't be more than a min or two in most instances. Agree on the foot brake blinding folks behind that's why I select park brake mostly. But even in a manual people use foot brake anyway mostly rather than select handbrake in traffic.

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Interesting the putting it in Park debate....not a problem on the 494 but on the earlier cars you give the driver behind a shock as it puts on the reverse lights for a split second as you past the gearstick through P R N D.........

On the new 8 speed boxes it is super clever and disengages drive on the converter when sat idling in drive position...then of course you have stop start which changes the whole debate again.....

Still bad practice leaving in drive when stationary.....


Can't do it in a Ferrari.... If you hold drive for longer than 5 seconds it automatically selects neutral for you....which is a total pain in the arse when you're sat awaiting to pull across a junction...

And don't even start us on 'should you steer into a skid debate......'

My MY12 has a 8 speed box. It still feels like it's engaged whilst idling and in D
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And I would never put into P in traffic for that reason FC.  2015 RRS AB SDV6, Fuji White, Ivory
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You don't have to own a Ferrari to experience what it's gear box does, my Dad's CVT Honda Jazz frequently drops into N after stopping for a while, it infuriates him and many of his aged friends who also have the same previous generation CVT Jazzes. It's one of the "features" that has lost Honda the alliance of many of the oldies that used to buy automatic Jazzes and are now buying other makes of small cars with conventional automatic gearboxes. 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
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By the way don't own one....just driven a few.....fortunately.... As the service and repair bills are eye watering.

Farmer Chalk wrote:

Can't do it in a Ferrari.... If you hold drive for longer than 5 seconds it automatically selects neutral for you....

Because they're not torque converter automatics but manumatics with a regular clutch, which would burn into pieces in seconds.

It's perfectly OK to leave a torque converter automatic in "D" on lights. In fact, it's less wearing the transmission than engaging and disengaging drive each time the car stops. Tha manual is clear regarding this and encourages shifting to N on prolonged stays, however this does not mean 45 seconds, but rather 45 minutes.
Shifting to "P" on traffic lights is just plain lunacy. People think they save the transmission, while actually making it work much harder. Not to mention it scares the from other drivers by blinking the reverse lights. Regards etc.,

Wojtek

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Wojtek

that's what I reckon. I'll continue to keep in Drive in traffic.

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ChrisWinstone wrote:

Yeah, but no brake wear when standstill vs 2 selector changes at every light stop?