sorry if I didn't dedicate more than a few seconds to my list, I just find your whole suggestion absurd

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will_wonka wrote:

@ rrsboy - http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/08/2010-ra...uchscreen/

World first

I wonder if LR developed it or just licensed it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallax_barrier

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Base patents and designs are always there to be improved generically

As for the parking brake:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parking_brake

Stolen from Renault and the Vel Satis - that fine engineering masterpiece  L322 Big Daddy SUPERCHARGED 5.0 Autobiography - Here & Now!

5 series for the miles

RRS S/C factory built HST - Gone

45 others have been and gone!

oh, back to "BMW (m or otherwise) still cant create anything decent or great" then










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rrsboy wrote:

oh, back to "BMW (m or otherwise) still cant create anything decent or great" then

that's probably true. Volvo probably invented the seat belt to but it means little as a statement of fact. BMW make some absolutely superb kit and have for many years.  ============
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rrsboy wrote:

that's probably true. Volvo probably invented the seat belt to but it means little as a statement of fact. BMW make some absolutely superb kit and have for many years.

I just assume you're trolling now? are you a fan of Al Murray?

it's so offensively stupid a thing to say that I can't respond any longer

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rrsboy wrote:

I just assume you're trolling now? are you a fan of Al Murray?

it's so offensively stupid a thing to say that I can't respond any longer

mse wrote:

rrsboy wrote:

I just assume you're trolling now? are you a fan of Al Murray?

it's so offensively stupid a thing to say that I can't respond any longer

No - genuinely mean it.

Take the mini for example...current form...great design, very successful - BMW i hear you say, shows they make good cars i hear - but actually do you know that Rover designed it in the current style, that actually Rover had it ready to launch as it is now. BMW took it at the purchase and sale of rover was predicated around that.

It was similar to the development of the x5.

My point, BMW arent great and have taken a lot - there are far better, but often these things are looked at through rose coloured glasses.

Ill make a final point, people would slag LR or Rover (when BMW owned them) for reliability issues etc - well i knew a number of people with m3's most had had new engines, gearboxes etc - but BMW ran and treated them well enough so they wouldnt loose the PR battle.

So i dont hold BMW up as anything great - its not Al Murray - I havent made any UK/Germany link and wouldnt...i happen to like Mercedes cars for example, that isnt my point, my point is BMW isnt the best thing since sliced bread and i really get frustrated by naive people thinking they are just because the market well

the Al Murray comparison relates to making such a WIDE sweeping statement, with conviction. It equivalent to saying "Sony stuff is rubbish" or "Tesco only sell crap".

To be true Al Murray you'd have to say something even stupider like "French cars are crap" or "Italian cars are unreliable" "Vauxhalls rust"

And most Rovers both of the BMW era and not were fairly unreliable vs cars of the respective time - JD PS shows that. The 75 was a superb exception.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is-9aI7utFQ...r_embedded

"Media preview of the new MINI on the eve of the Frankfurt Motor Show in September 1997. Almost a hoax as it was a "skin prototype" based on the modified platform, engine and running gear of a Fiat Punto! It successfully diverted publicity from the arrival of the new Mercedes A-Class and Smart cars.This news clip includes an interview with the late John Cooper."


btw they wanted to shove a K series in it.. that last bastion of Rover reliability

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.....don't get me started on BMW "reliability" or "quality".........perception and ultimately deception in some cases has been cleverly engineered by marketing houses for the Bavarian ones over the years and people have bought it.

My personal experiences with the brand have been far from satisfactory....

BMW 535d - great engine let down by shoddy interior and suspect electrics (owned 3 months, in garage 2.5 weeks).
750i Sport - so called Flagship! Truly horrific - nice barge like limo but unreliable to say the least (owned 4 months, in garage 3.5 months!!!!!!!).
320d - probably the most uninspiring car I have owned, no faults but so yawntastic.
BMW X5 - it was ok, but you always felt the inferior one when a Range appeared. The car was ok but it was just a car, albeit slightly higher

Had very little problems with Audi / Mercedes and ultimately LR (all variants)...aside from the knocking suspension on the HST ..............

so BMW for some = The Ultimate Driving Machine, but for me, er no, the Ultimate Off Roader for all the wrong reasons, yes perhaps.........at the end of the day and regardless of your experiences / opinions....the 3 series makes a mighty fine Vectra / Mondeo replacement these days  L322 Big Daddy SUPERCHARGED 5.0 Autobiography - Here & Now!

5 series for the miles

RRS S/C factory built HST - Gone

45 others have been and gone!

rrsboy wrote:

I just assume you're trolling now? are you a fan of Al Murray?

it's so offensively stupid a thing to say that I can't respond any longer

I totally agree with you on this statement, saying that BMW don't make anythin decent is just rubbish.
If you compare the equivalent cars across different brands then BMW will come out on top on a few lists eg m3, then again the will also come out crap against certain things, eg 4x4 market the X5 is pants compared with pretty much any LR at offroading.
But to say they don't make anythin good is just crazy talk

When changing from my M3 to my Cerbera I noticed what proper quality and reliability is lol

this is also a particularly good invention of theirs http://www.palmersport.com/bmw-m3-gtp.aspx

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Ballsy wrote:

rrsboy wrote:

I just assume you're trolling now? are you a fan of Al Murray?

it's so offensively stupid a thing to say that I can't respond any longer

I totally agree with you on this statement, saying that BMW don't make anythin decent is just rubbish.
If you compare the equivalent cars across different brands then BMW will come out on top on a few lists eg m3, then again the will also come out crap against certain things, eg 4x4 market the X5 is pants compared with pretty much any LR at offroading.
But to say they don't make anythin good is just crazy talk

When changing from my M3 to my Cerbera I noticed what proper quality and reliability is lol