well there is that bean

Notwithstanding our need for speed.........{IF} LR removed the extra weight associated with producing a proper 4x4 and slimmed down the thickness of doors etc as to make it more BMW like-for-like, it too would achieve a probable similar 0-60 time etc.

Twin-turbo / Triple-turbo or whatever, its more about capability than speed in these types of vehicles, always should be the foremost thing when choosing. BMW relies on the engine to get the buy-in by its fanbois, in most other areas within this category, its totally inadequate. L322 Big Daddy SUPERCHARGED 5.0 Autobiography - Here & Now!

5 series for the miles

RRS S/C factory built HST - Gone

45 others have been and gone!

simon1233 wrote:

3.0 TDV6 is both more powerful and more economical than the 2.7 TDV6 it replaces

Keep up at the back sherlock

Are you seriously suggesting that engines have not been getting both more powerful and more efficient over time, irrespective of engine capacity!

will_wonka wrote:

Notwithstanding our need for speed.........{IF} LR removed the extra weight associated with producing a proper 4x4 and slimmed down the thickness of doors etc as to make it more BMW like-for-like, it too would achieve a probable similar 0-60 time etc.

No I didn't say that. What I was saying was that for an engine of one size, especially in the last couple of years, have either improved in power/speed or efficeniency, but typically power is compromised by mpg or vice versa. TDV8 HSE, Remap (+45 BHP + 100 Nm), Taylored sport exhaust system by Pipe Werx
20" HST alloys, Privacy glass, Side steps, Xenon Adaptive Lighting, Adaptive cruise control

mse wrote:

will_wonka wrote:

Notwithstanding our need for speed.........{IF} LR removed the extra weight associated with producing a proper 4x4 and slimmed down the thickness of doors etc as to make it more BMW like-for-like, it too would achieve a probable similar 0-60 time etc.

I hope your not suggesting they should.

I'm neither hoping nor suggesting......I thought the context, comparison and second para somewhat highlighted my distaste of such a venture by LR, i.e. copying BMW and it's obvious inadequacies.  L322 Big Daddy SUPERCHARGED 5.0 Autobiography - Here & Now!

5 series for the miles

RRS S/C factory built HST - Gone

45 others have been and gone!

will_wonka wrote:

mse wrote:

will_wonka wrote:

Notwithstanding our need for speed.........{IF} LR removed the extra weight associated with producing a proper 4x4 and slimmed down the thickness of doors etc as to make it more BMW like-for-like, it too would achieve a probable similar 0-60 time etc.

I hope your not suggesting they should.

I'm neither hoping nor suggesting......I thought the context, comparison and second para somewhat highlighted my distaste of such a venture by LR, i.e. copying BMW and it's obvious inadequacies.

um, M division?  ============
2010 TDV8 HSE - ooo laa laaaaaaaaa
2007 TDV8 HSE - superb car and very reliable
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2012 - dearly departed, sadly missed.. to return in late 2013 with a new TDV8!

rrsboy wrote:

um, M division?

that doesn't really make any sense  ============
2010 TDV8 HSE - ooo laa laaaaaaaaa
2007 TDV8 HSE - superb car and very reliable
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2012 - dearly departed, sadly missed.. to return in late 2013 with a new TDV8!

rrsboy wrote:

that doesn't really make any sense

mse wrote:

BMW (m or otherwise) still cant create anything decent or great

1919 - A BMW powered bi-plane sets a world altitude record of 32,000 feet
1937 - The BMW 328 is the word's fastest production sports car in its class
1954 - BMW debuts Germany's first all aluminum V8 engine in the 502
1986 - First automaker to have ABS standard across the range
1988 - First drive-bi-wire throttle - EML (E32 750iL)
1991 - First AC HID headlights in the word (E32)
1996 - 5 Series is the first production car to have a front and rear suspension made of light alloy
1997 - First head airbags in the world (E38)
2000 - BMW launches patented Valvetronic (fully variable valve control system)
2001 - The 750hL is one of the world's first liquid hydrogen powered cars
2002 - BMW is the world's first automaker with a fuel cell for electrical power
2002 - First electric parking brake in the world (E65/E66)
2005 - BMW leads the industry in eco-friendly production methods

- The BMW H2R breaks 9 world records for hydrogen powered cars
- BMW was the first German auto maker to sell a Super Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle


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2010 TDV8 HSE - ooo laa laaaaaaaaa
2007 TDV8 HSE - superb car and very reliable
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2012 - dearly departed, sadly missed.. to return in late 2013 with a new TDV8!

2002 - First electric parking brake in the world (E65/E66)

So They're to blame

 RRS gone
Audi SQ5...Gone Audi Q7 S-Line 240 3.0TDI Gone
Audi A6 Allroad Sport 270 3.0TDI

Very short list that - similar research will show that up! Mike

2014 Facelift Discovery

@ rrsboy - http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/08/2010-ra...uchscreen/

World first  L322 Big Daddy SUPERCHARGED 5.0 Autobiography - Here & Now!

5 series for the miles

RRS S/C factory built HST - Gone

45 others have been and gone!