Inconveniencing the whole country, not the best way to get the public on your side.

This morning I've had to pay a child minder because the school's are close and pay a taxi driver because the under ground was closed. I would have been as well giving my bin man 50 quid and a pat on the back at the start of the week.

They are on another planet

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awd man wrote:

They are on another planet

Pension deals we'd die for in the private sector and yet they still feel hard done by...

Bl00dy lemmings, I had better say no more.................

I have retired early due to ill health and can't get a penny back from the state as I was self employed.

While the public sector rakes it in and achieves nothing.

Don't start me on schools aas my wife is a finance manager.

Talk about ing money in the wind!!!!

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i just drove past seacroft hospital in leeds, must have been 12 stood or sat outside with signs,

so that will be the 12 who feel strongly enough about it, the other 400 are enjoying there day off shopping, sleeping in etc

thankfully its all fell on a day when our kids are looked after for us anyway

awd man wrote:

They are on another planet

Pension deals we'd die for in the private sector and yet they still feel hard done by...

Discovery1953 wrote:

While the public sector rakes it in and achieves nothing.

So doctors, nurses, teachers, policemen, firemen all fall into that bracket. Some typical selfish tory on here today.

Oh and by the way mr Discovery1953, that racist and homophobic 'daily mail' rant at the end of your post does you no credit.

A nurse retiring on a salary of £34,200 after 40 years would receive a pension of £22,800. To obtain that level of income from a private sector pension at current annuity rates, a worker would need to amass a pension pot of £600,000,

According to pensions experts at Hargreaves Lansdown, a private sector worker on the same income who saved the average of 9 per cent of salary into a pension over a career might build a pension pot of £258,000

They estimated that to save £500,000 into a private pension, a worker would need to start by setting aside £600 a month from the age of 23. Someone who earns £40,000 and puts aside 9 per cent into a workplace pension is only saving £300 a month.

We're no arguing they're be worse off.... EVERYONE is worse off... but they're still a damn site BETTER OFF then everyone else! RRS gone
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awd man wrote:

[i]A nurse retiring on a salary of £34,200 after 40 years would receive a pension of £22,800. To obtain that level of income from a private sector pension at current annuity rates, a worker would need to amass a pension pot of £600,000!

eddiek62 wrote:

SO WHAT!!!!

Thats the terms they were employed under and they are perfectly at liberty to go on strike if these conditions are being changed significantly without their the public sector union's consent. And anyway, a 40 year, £34K nurse would be at the top of her profession. Are you telling me that someone in the private sector at the top of their profession with 40 years service would be worse off that that??

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The fact remains the public sector workers signed up for a certain scheme, I suspect a lot would not have been public workers if they had any idea the goal posts would change 2/3rd the way into their career, many of whom had no choice in what pension they had even if they wanted to. Soldiers can't choose and don't even have to pay contributions to theirs!

I'm confident that I could have used my degree back in 1990 to far better use than becoming a cop but I went down that route, I did partly because of the pension I was expecting to gain at the end of my service.
I go to work day after day and get more crap than most private sector workers and pay 11% into a pension pot all I ask is the pension I signed up for stays the same.
If they want to change the pension for new starters thats fine by me, it will then allow those new starters to make an informed decision on their career path.
I see lots and lots of private sector workers with far better saleries, better job perks like company cars and I don't see masses of them wanting to jump into pubic sector jobs....I wonder why?

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I used to work for local authority - I spent 7 years getting qualified to degree standard and after 14 years I reached £21k pa until they carried out a job evaluation and decided my job was worth £17k - The job I did paid £10k more in the private sector

I paid 6% of my salary into the pension scheme and if I retired tomorrow I would get £4k pa - if I did my 40 years I would have got £10k

Most of the public spending goes on managers, councillors and MP's - most workers get paid poorly compared to private sector - hence I left and started my own business completely unrelated to the 14 years I wasted working for LA

Admittedly there are are a lot of workers in LA who would not last 2 minutes in private sector but don't tar everyone with the same brush

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All fair points

I haven't been able to pay into my pension for 2 years now... so you'll forgive me if I'm not sympathetic  RRS gone
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What most of the Public Sector employees seem to be missing is that, if the government was a business, it would have been bankrupt years ago. Thus rendering them unemployed, and depending on their companies pension, very likely in more do,do!

They need to wake up, I agree that they won't be getting what they signed up to, but neither will millions of others & the options are very limited.

The country is broke, think themselves lucky they still have a job.


Anyway, a minority part of me thinks I should be on strike, unfortunately it's my feet - so I'm not going anywhere.

Steve

That went well.

I dont give a monkeys how u swing it fact is the government cant cash the cheques written by the previous ones,in the private sector you are given notice of your change in contract and if you dont like it you can go else where. I feel for the people long in the tooth who will be affect by a sweeping reform and have little options but I would suggest anyone who works for 40 years simply to have 15-20 years comfortably at the end needs their head looked at.

The services I have experienced by the public sector are poor to put it politely NHS is shocking, council is useless roads are terrible and the education system is flawed to say the least. If this was a private sector business they would have zero customers and have disappeared years ago simply down to the level of service that is provided sadly we are forced into taking or rather contributing to these services. In an ideal world I would abstain from certain ones and receive a nice big reduction in my tax bill

x5pea wrote:

In an ideal world I would abstain from certain ones and receive a nice big reduction in my tax bill

Now that would be nice if it was an option.