Yep, but you missed the important word ' only'

Robert

RRSTDV8
Hi man
Looking at your vehicle history details I can see why you don't love any luxury brand including LR...

Where is the Velar being built, Solihull?

I too think it is expensive and not quite as 'good' as an RRS for the same money. It does look the biz mind you!

T8 Gone:
2016.5MY RRS HSE Dyn
2015MY Disco Sport HSE
2011MY FL2 HSE
2010MY RRS HSE
2008MY D3 HSE

Tim/RRS with your orders in and anyone else with a view.

The Velar has a range of engines, what will best suit it will be interesting. I love the JLR SDV6, having a tentative order in for a Velar, I immediately opted for the D300, but how about the Ingenium petrol 4 pot or the 240D?

Not driven or heard of any orher JLR model with the Ingenium 2.0 petrol. I've tried the 180bhp 2.0D in the DiscoSport, it was fine, but not frigal, not sure it will feel premium enough without a big lump. Is diesel the way forward, wait for petrol hybrid?

Trying to spec a Velar at less than my RRS! Gone:
2016.5MY RRS HSE Dyn
2015MY Disco Sport HSE
2011MY FL2 HSE
2010MY RRS HSE
2008MY D3 HSE

whippetman wrote:

RRSTDV8
Hi man
Looking at your vehicle history details I can see why you don't love any luxury brand including LR...

That would be you jumping to conclusions though .

I really like my RRS: that's why I've kept it even though it's been less than trouble free. In fairness, most of the issues were when it was serviced by LR dealers. It's been much better since being looked after by an indie. With 150k miles on it, you'd expect some stuff to go wrong.

But I didn't buy it because it's an LR. Nor did I buy it because it has Range Rover branding on the bonnet. It's a Discovery 3 in a knock-off RR suit after all. I bought it because I wanted something with 4WD for bad weather and off road use, something which was able to tow our 2.7 tonne horse trailer, something which was comfortable, something that had car like performance and less rolly polly handling than the usual 4x4 and something that was high enough to save my back getting in and out of ordinary cars. I'd have had a Discovery if it had a better engine than the 2.7 at the time.

When I went through the list, the only manufacturer that ticked the boxes was LR and the RRS met the requirements. No one else made a vehicle that would do all I wanted.

As for the earlier quip about the Skoda Yeti, our other car is a Skoda Octavia. Excellent car in all respects really. Bit too low for my back. Boringly reliable. I'd happily have a Yeti if it met my requirements but it doesn't tow big loads and is a soft-roader.

So you see, I didn't buy the brand although I must admit that the RRS has got under my skin. It saddens me to see them kept only as weekend washing and polishing projects when they are so versatile. Take one off road and be surprised. Then take it 500 miles in the day and be smug with the ease and comfort. Sadly most are bought, polished, moaned about and sold on in quick time. People buy them for the brand and then move on to the next thing on the list. Fools and their money...

My watch is a Seiko - boringly reliable and accurate to a degree that watches costing 20 times as much can't match. The money I saved on a Rolex is spent keeping my LR working...  2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

In the Velar, I would say the 240D would be the sweet spot. The 300D will likely be popular because of the headline power but for most use, the 240 will be quick enough with reasonable fuel use. Over on the Disco forum there have been issues raised about towing with the Ingenium lump: that's probably not a problem with the Velar: I doubt any will be used to tow very much. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

For the top spec car i,m thinking the P380 petrol engine. Too much negativity is starting about Diesel so i feel petrol will become the better buy.
Without all this the D300 would be my choice as i think at this price i would want at least 6 cylinders. SVR 2018 in Santorini Black.

I'm not so sure that the diesel lobby won't move on in time. Diesels are getting cleaner and they will continue to do so and we should not underestimate their impact on the positive side.

I can recall when driving a 4x4 was viewed as being somewhere between being a serial killer and a drug dealer. That has passed and the diesel debate will become more sophisticated with time also. Yes, the really dirty ones will go but cleaner ones will stay.

Robert

I understand Diesel being dirtier on a per litre burnt basis, but what about over a given mileage? Surely the increased fuel efficiency has to have some impact on the overall dirt? Typical Range Rover Sport traffic jam idling excepted of course...

Dennis 13MY Range Rover Sport Autobiography SDV6 - mine
14MY Range Rover Evoque Dynamic SD4 Black Pack - wife's
99MY Defender 90 TD5, Soft Top Conversion - my toy, and bairns favourite

Correct, Dennis

And the new stop/start technology will help even more.

Robert

One of the biggest problems with diesels is the way that they are used. They are not for small cars that do short journeys. Also people buy them because of headline mpg, yet many small turbo charged petrols are actually as good or even better for short trips. Short trips with lots of gear changing are not what diesels are about, they are much less polluting and more efficeint drive at steady speed over longer distances, ie once fully warmed through, yet many are used for commuter driving over distances less than 15 miles. 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - soon to be replaced
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

Still at least there was no negatives in the budget for Diesels.
When do we think they will launch the Autobiography Velar then? Perhaps when the First Edition is finished? SVR 2018 in Santorini Black.

Don't worry about the AB I have heard from a reliable source that an SVR version is in the pipeline 😄😄

360 did they say what engine is going in that?  SVR 2018 in Santorini Black.

I'm seeing him tomorrow I will ask if he know