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Dobby



Member Since: 02 Jan 2018
Location: East Seaxe
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Eye opening...

Taken without the keys? Check out the link printed on the white sticker, on the ODB device in the 4th photo.

https://twitter.com/mpshavering/status/1283754208362201088?s=21

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Post #601907 Fri Jul 17 2020 9:42pm
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DangerMouseUK



Member Since: 16 Jul 2016
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United Kingdom 2013 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Santorini Black

Found the device on their website. How is that even allowed to be sold?

Hopefully they will have taken details of the criminals they've sold it to for the Police when they enquire.

I hope JLR are aware of what the device can do, not going to put the content from the page on here.

Not a great read to be honest. Non JLR Vehicle

Post #601909 Fri Jul 17 2020 11:12pm
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1richard1



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United Kingdom 2007 Range Rover Sport TDV6 HSE Stornoway Grey

But they would have to break into the car to use it and have a blank key as well, unless your motor is on a list to be taken they will take it even if they have to commit burglary. What is needed is for the toerags when caught to get proper prison sentences and not a slap on the wrist and banned from driving when they haven't even got a licence.

Just found the device where it picks the lock and no blank required pricey at 8.5K cant see many toe rags buying that but still they should keep records of who they sell too.

Post #601910 Sat Jul 18 2020 4:44am
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Disco_Mikey



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Not sure how much info to put up in the public domain, but keyless thefts are very easy with the correct equipment

They scan the house for the RF signal from the keyfob, amplify the signal back to the car which allows the car to be unlocked via keyless entry

The dongle device then programs a new key in a matter of seconds, car starts, and car goes bye bye Shocked

Post #601911 Sat Jul 18 2020 5:02am
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DangerMouseUK



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United Kingdom 2013 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Santorini Black

1richard1 wrote:
Just found the device where it picks the lock and no blank required pricey at 8.5K cant see many toe rags buying that but still they should keep records of who they sell too.


Even seems to work on recent cars we've been told are impossible to get into! Non JLR Vehicle

Post #601921 Sat Jul 18 2020 11:10am
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Farmer Chalk



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What’s more galling is that they are sold to supposed locksmiths but no locksmith is going to pay £8.5 k for one of these...they would have to sell a hell of a lot of keys to recover their monies...

Haven’t got Twitter so I can’t see the device but numerous companies sell this type of device including Simon Touch and Edilock...both foreign based but with UK arms....

There is a locksmith in North London who claims he is totally legitimate and has been exposed by the Mail On Sunday who sells to anyone... total lowlife who is only interested in money...

Post #601922 Sat Jul 18 2020 2:42pm
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1richard1



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United Kingdom 2007 Range Rover Sport TDV6 HSE Stornoway Grey

Hi the key that opens the door is only £600, the the one the starts the car is meant to be 8.5k whether it's just a front who knows.

Post #601923 Sat Jul 18 2020 3:18pm
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Farmer Chalk



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Unfortunately not...it’s very very real!
And the persons selling them are only interested in profit regardless.... I would question why you would ever need them?

This is why Ghost immobilisers are fitted on all my cars!

Post #601936 Sat Jul 18 2020 8:37pm
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Dobby



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DangerMouseUK wrote:
Even seems to work on recent cars we've been told are impossible to get into!


This is what worries me.. later vehicles were supposed to be immune, or at least thats what the dealer told me. Not the first time they’d get something wrong though. MY15.5 HSE
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Post #601941 Sun Jul 19 2020 8:09am
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riverblanche



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Hi,
we always kept our keys in RFI pouches

There was a clip on the TV news a few nights ago showing just what Mikey says, a few seconds and car (an Audi I think) was on its way

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Post #601953 Sun Jul 19 2020 5:22pm
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Farmer Chalk



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With these devices it is irrelevant whether you keep keys in an rfid bag...the new devices just plug into the obd socket and teach the car an emergency key.....
They use a turbo key decoder to open the locked doors via the left hand door!

Post #601962 Sun Jul 19 2020 8:07pm
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riverblanche



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Oh ok!

I was thinking about the TV news clip and as Mikey says, know that method has been used for some time now Crying or Very sad

Also found that when away with the Tintent if we left the key in the caravan the car was parked near enough to allow the keyless entry to work Shocked so anyone could have just opened the car and took owt
The RFI pouches at least stopped that happening.

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gone Corris Grey HSE Dynamic 2016
gone Ipanema HSE lux 2010
gone Rimini HSE 2005
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Post #601970 Mon Jul 20 2020 12:11pm
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Farmer Chalk



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Agreed...I also keep my keys in a pouch and have also switched off the keyless opening on my keys...
I also superlock my doors by pushing the lock button twice..

Unfortunately these latest devices open the doors by traditional key pick methods using a turbo key decoder but once entry is gained the new devices code a new key within seconds...

Hence I also use an aftermarket immobiliser system so even if they pick the locks and code a new key the vehicle still won’t start...

These are super professional tools on the market....I cannot ever envisage when a auto locksmith would ever require one and hence my sheer anger when they are being sold to others via supposed industry locksmiths whom belong to official trade bodies ..

They should be totally illegal to own or possess... Twisted Evil

Post #601988 Mon Jul 20 2020 8:36pm
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Ash3



Member Since: 31 Aug 2019
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I have done the same.

Disabled keyless entry.

Use disklok steering lock.

And installed aftermarket ghost immobilser.

Post #601996 Tue Jul 21 2020 12:44am
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glenn9999



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i was told a ghost voids any warranty on the car including 3rd party ones

Post #602091 Thu Jul 23 2020 7:06pm
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