Selling or being pre-registered by dealers on instruction of JLR? 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - soon to be replaced
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

I think I would have the Jag version over the LR version of this car - the Jag looks better as the Velar just looks a bit weird. The F Pace looks more proportioned and I think is a bit cheaper. 07MY RRS TDV6
Arctic Frost
Aspen Interior

Tim in Scotland wrote:

Selling or being pre-registered by dealers on instruction of JLR?

garrycol wrote:

I think I would have the Jag version over the LR version of this car - the Jag looks better as the Velar just looks a bit weird. The F Pace looks more proportioned and I think is a bit cheaper.

The F-Pace looks like a much better buy, Jock. Two questions - do you miss the air suspension and how do you find the 300PS petrol engine after your diesel RRS? Among other things, I am currently considering either a petrol F-Pace or a petrol Velar to replace my SDV6 RRS next year. Current: 2020 P400e HSE Dynamic

Gone: 2016 SDV6 HSE
2012 SDV6 SE

I saw a Velar on the road yesterday and one parked up on a street today. Very rare to have two sightings two days in a row around here.

I tried a Velar and really liked it. I’ve had an F-Pace as a loan car too and while it was very good, I found the Velar miles ahead in terms of refinement and driving pleasure. Both had the same 3 litre diesel engine and 8 speed gearbox. I don’t care that it is built on the same platform as F-Pace. RRS1 was based on the same platform as Discovery but was a very different car to drive and those two probably shared more than what Velar and F-Pace share. I prefer the looks of Velar over F-Pace too but that’s a personal thing.

I agree that LR got it wrong on the pricing front. I was happy to enter well into ‘FFRR price territory’ for my last Sport because I preferred the drive of RRS and it wasn’t a huge compromise in space. I would never pay ‘RRS money’ for a Velar though and that is probably what most buyers are thinking. Smaller car with a slightly lower driving position to achieve that extra sportiness. Better off getting a saloon. Current: Volvo XC90 T8 Inscription Pro PHEV with some optionals on top
Gone: MY16 RRS2 3.0 SDV6 Autobiography Dynamic, Carpathian Grey & Santorini Black Sliding Pano/Ebony & Ivory 2 Tone
Gone: MY13 RRS 3.0 SDV6 HSE Black Edition, Orkney Grey/Ivory
Gone: MY09 RRS 2.7 TDV6 HSE, Santorini Black/Almond

Fkarim's last paragraph sums it up neatly for me.

Reading in the latest motoring press it looks like JLR could also be about to over price the forthcoming Defender replacement rumoured to start at £40,000 - way too high by about £20,000 for what is supposed to be a basic farm utility vehicle..........but loved by wealthy Chelsea residents. 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - soon to be replaced
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

Tim in Scotland wrote:

Selling or being pre-registered by dealers on instruction of JLR?

Seen hardly any in the West Mids or Central Scotland.

PIG88 wrote:

The F-Pace looks like a much better buy, Jock. Two questions - do you miss the air suspension and how do you find the 300PS petrol engine after your diesel RRS? Among other things, I am currently considering either a petrol F-Pace or a petrol Velar to replace my SDV6 RRS next year.

My understanding is that JLR are definitely disappointed with the Velar numbers. They had expected it to sell like hot-cakes and be the new evoke for them, but that’s just not happening. As others have said, it’s the price point that’s the issue. Just too close to the RRS. They will presumably want to fix, but I can imagine how...

Tim, interesting point on the new defender. I was told thee are some early spy shots out, but I haven’t been able to track down. Defender proportions with iPhone looks, or so i’m told.

Both Auto-Express and Autocar this week have a series of the same ”spy” shots of the next Defender which make it look like a Disco3 with all the disguises on it. 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - soon to be replaced
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

1880 wrote:

Tim, interesting point on the new defender. I was told thee are some early spy shots out, but I haven’t been able to track down. Defender proportions with iPhone looks, or so i’m told.

JOCK55 wrote:

PIG88 wrote:

The F-Pace looks like a much better buy, Jock. Two questions - do you miss the air suspension and how do you find the 300PS petrol engine after your diesel RRS? Among other things, I am currently considering either a petrol F-Pace or a petrol Velar to replace my SDV6 RRS next year.

Hi PIG88, to answer your questions - yes, I do miss the air suspension - but not £12,000 worth of miss! The 300PS petrol engine in the F-Pace is a beast. It may only be 2.0 litre but is only 6 h.p. less than the RRS which is 400 lbs heavier than the F-Pace. The acceleration is great and very smooth through the whole rev range. The torque is adequate, even from low revs up to 5,500 rpm. However, there is an economy price to pay. The best I have managed so far (driving like an 80 year old granny) was 27mpg. I have done nearly 2,000 miles in the car now and am averaging 22 mpg. It is difficult to compare an RRS to an F-Pace, they are very different vehicles. The RRS was a go anywhere, mud plugging 4X4 that was well appointed and very comfortable. The F-Pace has definitely put the Sport in "sport utility vehicle", for me anyway!!

Jock