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TheWojtek Member Since: 08 May 2015 Location: PoznaĆ, Poland Posts: 737 |
I will just drop it here.
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Mon Jun 13 2016 11:48am |
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SPX Member Since: 26 Dec 2012 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 587 |
Why? My great grandfather actually fought in the Second World War and said pretty much the same thing - "By hook or by crook they'll find a way to try and rule" was what he'd say. |
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Mon Jun 13 2016 12:23pm |
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TheWojtek Member Since: 08 May 2015 Location: PoznaĆ, Poland Posts: 737 |
So what?
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Mon Jun 13 2016 1:05pm |
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Lost for Words Member Since: 15 Jan 2015 Location: Warminster, Wiltshire Posts: 1477 |
Guys, let's tread very carefully here.
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Mon Jun 13 2016 2:12pm |
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RRSTDV8 Member Since: 12 Aug 2011 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 8980 |
World War 2 was fought in part because the allied powers messed up the peace deal after World War 1. The Treaty of Versailles and the subsequent London Schedule of Payments left Germany penniless basically. This was in some part an act of revenge by the French, aided by the good old United Kingdom. The conditions for the rise of fascism in Germany in the 1930s were created in 1919 by us. They were then nurtured by the Depression and collapse of the German economy. Hyperinflation meant that people needed wheelbarrows to carry enough money to buy basic food. It all led to the rise of fascism.
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Mon Jun 13 2016 8:58pm |
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Lost for Words Member Since: 15 Jan 2015 Location: Warminster, Wiltshire Posts: 1477 |
I totally agree, and I believe that forms an argument to leave, not remain. As you say, the rise of fascism was in no small part our own doing by placing restrictions on others. Again, the situation the EU puts us in as regards immigration, is only going to increase bigotry and resentment. Visiting from DISCO3.CO.UK
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Tue Jun 14 2016 8:09am |
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Slim444 Member Since: 09 Nov 2015 Location: Huntingdon Posts: 200 |
As this was meant to be a poll- already voted OUT via postal, and still stand by that decision, especially after all the alarmist crap that's been thrown around... by both sides! |
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Tue Jun 14 2016 9:11am |
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Lyonhead Member Since: 21 May 2016 Location: Cardiff Posts: 351 |
The way I look at it is this,
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Tue Jun 14 2016 10:35am |
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TheWojtek Member Since: 08 May 2015 Location: PoznaĆ, Poland Posts: 737 |
Over 3 million UK citizens are immigrants to the EU countries, it's gonna be tough to sell all these Spanish houses and move back to the UK. Regards etc., Wojtek --- WAS: 2006 RRS Supercharged IS: 2010 RRS TDV8 HSE |
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Tue Jun 14 2016 10:58am |
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SPX Member Since: 26 Dec 2012 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 587 |
The last monarch to attempt to "rule" us was in 1649 and it's safe to say it didn't end well for him. |
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Tue Jun 14 2016 11:06am |
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SPX Member Since: 26 Dec 2012 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 587 |
Barely anyone would. Also worth keeping in mind that the EU as we know it now is NOT what was voted for by the electorate in 1973. |
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Tue Jun 14 2016 11:09am |
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Lost for Words Member Since: 15 Jan 2015 Location: Warminster, Wiltshire Posts: 1477 |
No, it's not, because that is not going to happen. If we leave, all the existing (legal) migrants will remain entitled to stay where they are under the Vienna Convention. Visiting from DISCO3.CO.UK 2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 Auto HSE Zambezi Silver |
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Tue Jun 14 2016 11:19am |
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Tim in Scotland Member Since: 30 May 2005 Location: Driving along in my automobile Posts: 17476 |
And with regard to all the UK expats with property in the EU, with the favourite locations for them to settle having recently had economic meltdowns the last thing that those governments want is to have another property market meltdown and even higher unemployment. I am very thankful for the employment rules in the EU, if they didn't exist I would not have been able to sail as the Master of a German Flag ship due to Germany ignoring the "freedom of movement" rules and insisting that seafarers working on German flagged ships having to speak fluent German. The day I sat my German licence exams (ironically all set in English!) the German Govt was overruled by the EU and I went to work on German flag ships not speaking very much German. After 10 years working for a Hamburg based shipping line, having my German Social Security payments made for me I am now entitled to my German state pension and health insurance, both of which a way more generous than the UK's and the pension for seaman is 85% of my final salary....... Unlike my UK pensions which will not even keep me in a 2nd hand Dacia Duster every 3 years let alone a used RRS.
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Tue Jun 14 2016 11:46am |
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drdelrrs Member Since: 02 Nov 2010 Location: UK Posts: 1163 |
I see that David Cameron has ditched his strong and widely publicised views of 2004/5 when he was vehemently opposed to the EU.
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Tue Jun 14 2016 6:05pm |
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