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jamesholland111



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2009 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Bonatti Grey
Engine Failed

HELP. I have a 2009 Range Rover which due to both turbos going has caused my engine to be ruined. I now have the toss up of send it to Auction or get a new Engine. Any ideas what i would get at auction or advice either way?

Post #490867 Mon Mar 14 2016 12:18pm
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TheWojtek



Member Since: 08 May 2015
Location: Poznań, Poland
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Poland 2010 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Buckingham Blue

Define: ruined. What exactly happened? Regards etc.,

Wojtek

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WAS: 2006 RRS Supercharged
IS: 2010 RRS TDV8 HSE

Post #490870 Mon Mar 14 2016 12:55pm
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jamesholland111



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2009 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Bonatti Grey

Thanks for coming back to me. According to my garage uneconomical to start investigating further without completely stripping the whole engine down part by part. The compression ratio on the right hand side of engine is low, but this is more than likely due to ingesting part/s of the turbo.

Post #490887 Mon Mar 14 2016 2:28pm
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TheWojtek



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Poland 2010 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Buckingham Blue

There's no (economical) point in fixing it if the turbo made its way into the cylinders. I have absolutely no idea if the company I link has any good or bad reviews, but try http://rangeroverreconditionedengines.co.uk/ for a quote. Better yet, search for a possible writeoff with same engine and swap it - if it still does make sense in terms of money. As I see in Poland, a TDV8 goes for about 3300 pounds + fitting.

(Note: I know of people shipping their cars to be fixed in Poland and shipped back, cars that were deemed unrepairable in the UK, fixed in Poland and happily back in the UK. I can guide you in regards of such an endeavor, but you'd need to negotiate on your own with the owner of the business. I would trust him because I know the guy for years. You, on the other hand, do not have to. It's your car, your money and your decision.) Regards etc.,

Wojtek

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WAS: 2006 RRS Supercharged
IS: 2010 RRS TDV8 HSE

Post #490898 Mon Mar 14 2016 4:22pm
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Paddi



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United Kingdom 2008 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Java Black

^^^^^

Buried in the small print on that website you will see that the company linked to is a 're-brand' of Engine Engineering.

Read the 3rd page of this thread and you may just want to look somewhere else.

http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic105707....p;start=30 2008 MY Java Black TDV8 HSE

Post #490905 Mon Mar 14 2016 5:23pm
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jamesholland111



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Thats what i was worried about. I have a very well known and reputed LR RRS specialist and he says you hear stories of this every day. He is reccomending a new LR approved engine, if not he offers no guarentee when you come off the forecourt otherwise he ends up getting sued for someone elses bad engine. I wonder what a 2009 V8 non runner would get at auction.

Post #490907 Mon Mar 14 2016 6:06pm
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jamesholland111



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TheWojtek wrote:
There's no (economical) point in fixing it if the turbo made its way into the cylinders. I have absolutely no idea if the company I link has any good or bad reviews, but try http://rangeroverreconditionedengines.co.uk/ for a quote. Better yet, search for a possible writeoff with same engine and swap it - if it still does make sense in terms of money. As I see in Poland, a TDV8 goes for about 3300 pounds + fitting.

(Note: I know of people shipping their cars to be fixed in Poland and shipped back, cars that were deemed unrepairable in the UK, fixed in Poland and happily back in the UK. I can guide you in regards of such an endeavor, but you'd need to negotiate on your own with the owner of the business. I would trust him because I know the guy for years. You, on the other hand, do not have to. It's your car, your money and your decision.)


This could work but again you get very little guarentee on the engine and on a 2009 how long does it take until the electronics fail and you have paid double for a car?

Post #490908 Mon Mar 14 2016 6:07pm
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TheWojtek



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Poland 2010 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Buckingham Blue

Paddi wrote:
^^^^^
Buried in the small print on that website you will see that the company linked to is a 're-brand' of Engine Engineering.
Read the 3rd page of this thread and you may just want to look somewhere else.
http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic105707....p;start=30

Thanks, that's an information worth to know.
jamesholland111 wrote:
This could work but again you get very little guarentee on the engine and on a 2009 how long does it take until the electronics fail and you have paid double for a car?

Most probably zero guarantee (though I've seen RHD cars used as donors still being available to test drive before the engines were lifted from them).
Regarding the rest... it's a Land Rover. It will fail, eventually. Be it my RRC I used to have or the P38 (I believe the current owner still wants to bring the car back to its glory, poor fella). This said, I still think they are quite good for the age. I used to have a Lancia once, you know... Regards etc.,

Wojtek

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IS: 2010 RRS TDV8 HSE

Post #490913 Mon Mar 14 2016 6:51pm
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RRSTDV8



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Orkney Grey

Who is looking at the car? Is it a LR dealer, a LR indie or just a "garage"? If it's just a normal garage it might be worth talking to someone like Rovertune in Reading. Getting it trailered to them to be worked on wouldn't be too much compared to the cost of the work being done.

Someone might not want the job of replacing the turbos because it's an engine off job. Might also be worried that a subsequent problem might be blamed on them. In the circumstances, a second opinion would seem to be prudent. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

Post #490919 Mon Mar 14 2016 7:41pm
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Disco_Mikey



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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Sport Supercharged HSE Santorini Black

I have replaced a few set of turbos now, whereby the turbos have blown, and the engine has ran very, very rough

Customers have all been advised of possible further engine damage, but all have started and ran fine with only a pair of new turbos. I don't know the exact reasons for this though, be it affecting the exhaust flow, or the incoming air, due to air intake pipes filled with oil...

You may be lucky Thumbs Up

Post #490924 Mon Mar 14 2016 8:15pm
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jamesholland111



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RRSTDV8 wrote:
Who is looking at the car? Is it a LR dealer, a LR indie or just a "garage"? If it's just a normal garage it might be worth talking to someone like Rovertune in Reading. Getting it trailered to them to be worked on wouldn't be too much compared to the cost of the work being done.

Someone might not want the job of replacing the turbos because it's an engine off job. Might also be worried that a subsequent problem might be blamed on them. In the circumstances, a second opinion would seem to be prudent.


Its a land rover chap used to work at a dealership and set up. Trusted and known by a few people i know.

Post #491041 Wed Mar 16 2016 9:52am
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Michael7s



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England 2010 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Santorini Black

dealers do not sell any engine components at all, so you any ordinary garage won't be able to fix it, even if they repair engines.
There are some garage who source some parts and can fix it, around 3-3,5k.

Also, it is very difficult to get hold of second hand tdv8 engine.

I know all this from experience.

Post #491042 Wed Mar 16 2016 10:15am
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RRSTDV8



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Orkney Grey

Land Rover won't sell engine bits to anyone so you can't recon a TDV8; you could get hold of a couple of units from a scrappy and use the best bits from each to make one "maybe good" engine. Better to get an engine from LR though. At least you'd get two years of warranty. Eye wateringly expensive though.

If the engine has been properly serviced, I'm surprised that LR won't help out. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

Post #491052 Wed Mar 16 2016 12:34pm
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Michael7s



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England 2010 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Santorini Black

9k for an engine plus fitting for a car worth 10??
then 1k for 2x new turbo

Post #491053 Wed Mar 16 2016 12:36pm
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Paddi



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United Kingdom 2008 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Java Black

If it was me (and let's face it - one day it could be) perhaps I'd have it transported up to Disco_Mikey to look at given that he appears to have rescued a few declared lost causes by other establishments.

"Your mission should you choose to accept it" etc.

If the engine really is toast then investigate replacement engine from a recycler.

Hang on - wasn't DM looking for a project car like this a while back? Whistle 2008 MY Java Black TDV8 HSE

Post #491065 Wed Mar 16 2016 2:54pm
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