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capodeicapi



Member Since: 22 Dec 2015
Location: Berlin
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Advice needed - EU Range Rover Sport

I'm based in Berlin, Germany and am thinking of dipping a toe into Range Rover ownership.

Found a 11/07 Range Rover Sport HSE with 89k on the clock for about Ł12.5k. It's had one owner from new and has a full, main dealer Land Rover service history:

https://home.mobile.de/AUTOHAUSMARIENDORF#des_219141771

Living here it's quite hard to judge whether this is a good deal or not. Can some of you UK-based recent RR purchasers give me some feedback?

I plan to run it for about 3 years, doing around 8k miles a year. I've budgeted about €5k for servicing / repairs over this period. Am I better using my repair budget to get a newer vehicle?

Post #483116 Tue Dec 22 2015 5:20pm
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Slim444



Member Since: 09 Nov 2015
Location: Huntingdon
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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Sport 3.0 TDV6 HSE Stornoway Grey

Hi and welcome!

Looks in a similar price range to the equivalent year and spec over here. Can't remember what your taxes etc are over there, but seems about right.
Have a look at some online adverts to see how it compares, here's a page from one of the easier to navigate sites I use here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds?Cat...earTo=2007

cheers
Simon

Post #483124 Tue Dec 22 2015 7:16pm
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capodeicapi



Member Since: 22 Dec 2015
Location: Berlin
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Thanks. Tax here for <2008 cars is quite reasonable.

Looking at the sites you mentioned it looks like the cars about Ł2k cheaper than the UK versions. Think I'm going to take a look at it tomorrow and see if I can bag a bargain.

From the pictures it looks well maintained.

Post #483127 Tue Dec 22 2015 7:43pm
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Slim444



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United Kingdom 2011 Range Rover Sport 3.0 TDV6 HSE Stornoway Grey

Good plan, let us know how you get on Wink

Post #483129 Tue Dec 22 2015 7:54pm
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SRE



Member Since: 16 Jan 2010
Location: Alicante Prov Spain + Hampshire UK
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Spain 

Make sure it has a good warranty on it Thumbs Up In Spain - 2018 F Pace - Frightened away from the Sports due to crank failures
Gone - A couple of RRS, A couple of Disco's. However thinking of another Sport.

Post #483168 Wed Dec 23 2015 10:09am
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capodeicapi



Member Since: 22 Dec 2015
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So, I went to view the car today....

These are the issue I could find on the vehicle:
1) Electric parking brake. This is broken.
2) Air Suspension. The air suspension system is broken. Listening to the air compressor it sounds like it needs to be replaced.
3) Front left fog light. This is smashed and will need replacing.
4) Petrol cap doesn't lock.
5) Tyres. The front left tyre has wear on the outer edge. Could be caused by broken air suspension or wheels need realignment.
6) Rear right door doesn't unlock when car is unlocked.
7) Passenger window mechanism seems slow. Motor may need replacing.

The service history on the vehicle is patchy:
1) The first service is done at the correct time (about 1 year old), however they have not marked whether it was a 'A' or 'B' service (I presume it was an 'A' service)
2) The second service is done at the correct time (2 years old), however they again have not marked whether it was a 'A' or 'B' service (I presume it was an 'B' service)
3) There's then a service gap of about 3 years and 33,000km with no information.
4) During the third service in the book the fuel filter, brake fluid and air cleaner element should have been replaced but it does not say whether this was done.
5) There's then a service gap of about 2 years and 30km with no information.
6) At the fourth service in the book the transfer case oil and flexible brake hoses should have been replaced (I think I saw that the brake hoses had been replaced when inspecting).
7) There has been no service for 30,000km since 06/03/2014.

I asked them whether they would be doing the next service and fixing the faults before they sold the car. Their response was:

"Sorry, you really expect much too much.
If we do all this work we have to take about 5000,-€ on top plus warranty."

Laughing

Post #483187 Wed Dec 23 2015 3:04pm
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Lost for Words



Member Since: 15 Jan 2015
Location: Warminster, Wiltshire
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Walk away. Thumbs Up

The faults could be worse but it's not a good sign and the dealer's attitude doesn't sound too good either. Visiting from DISCO3.CO.UK
2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 Auto HSE Zambezi Silver

Post #483190 Wed Dec 23 2015 3:08pm
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Tim in Scotland



Member Since: 30 May 2005
Location: Driving along in my automobile
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2013 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Stornoway Grey

And they want to sell it for top dollar? Walk on by, another will become available soon enough! 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - soon to be replaced
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

Post #483191 Wed Dec 23 2015 3:09pm
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capodeicapi



Member Since: 22 Dec 2015
Location: Berlin
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Germany 

It's the service history that concerns me the most. No detail on what was carried out and patchy (although it does seems to have been done at Land Rover main dealers).

Post #483192 Wed Dec 23 2015 3:13pm
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TheWojtek



Member Since: 08 May 2015
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Poland 2010 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Buckingham Blue

This is by far one of the most expensive 2.7 TDV6's I've seen. Just 180 kilometers to the East and you can buy a TDV8 for this money. Here's an accident-free car originally bought in Poland, so not an individual import, with service history etc:

http://allegro.pl/3-6-tdv8-salon-pl-vat-23...37422.html - 18300 Eur (13400 UK Pounds), 23% Mwst ausweisbar... Regards etc.,

Wojtek

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WAS: 2006 RRS Supercharged
IS: 2010 RRS TDV8 HSE

Post #483230 Wed Dec 23 2015 9:07pm
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capodeicapi



Member Since: 22 Dec 2015
Location: Berlin
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Germany 

Mmm, that's interesting. Didn't know much about the polish market but what I do know is that they tend to keep the vehicles well maintained because labour is so cheap (many Germans send their cars their for servicing). Are you Polish? Do you have a way in to this market? I can't run a TDV8 (tax is too high) so has to be either 2.7 or 3.0.

That Berlin based 2.7 is actually pretty well priced in the Berlin market.

Post #483240 Wed Dec 23 2015 10:05pm
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capodeicapi



Member Since: 22 Dec 2015
Location: Berlin
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Sorry, just saw your name - of course you're polish!

Post #483241 Wed Dec 23 2015 10:07pm
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TheWojtek



Member Since: 08 May 2015
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Poland 2010 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Buckingham Blue

I am indeed.
I quite obviously can not vouch for any particular car (mine included, LOL) but this seems a genuine offer. I don't believe there is a lot of TDV6's in proper condition here, though. Most of them come from Italy, in a form of a plague. Regards etc.,

Wojtek

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WAS: 2006 RRS Supercharged
IS: 2010 RRS TDV8 HSE

Post #483250 Thu Dec 24 2015 1:34am
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capodeicapi



Member Since: 22 Dec 2015
Location: Berlin
Posts: 12

Germany 

Hah! Yes, I noticed that here as well in Berlin. The two that I've looked at so far have both come from Italy. Why is that?

Post #483257 Thu Dec 24 2015 7:34am
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TheWojtek



Member Since: 08 May 2015
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Poland 2010 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Buckingham Blue

RRS is extremely popular over there, especially since the Italians were deducting the VAT from the big car with an engine smaller than 3 liters. More or less same thing in Greece, believe it or not.
Most of them do not have the winter pack, though, which - for me at least - is a must. And once they are out of warranty, they are not maintained at all. I have seen every kind of Italian disregard to the car when I was shopping for my car, from destroyed interiors to engine oil changed every 30000 kilometers to forceful setting the car to drive in access height only... I'd hesitate to buy a Ferrari from an Italian, not to mention something British. Regards etc.,

Wojtek

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WAS: 2006 RRS Supercharged
IS: 2010 RRS TDV8 HSE

Post #483296 Thu Dec 24 2015 10:46pm
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