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Disco_Mikey



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TDV8 Turbo failure

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Seen failures before, but never one that bad. The engine wouldn't run with the LH upper turbo hose connected to the Intercooler. When the hoses were removed, I drained around half a litre of engine oil Shocked

Turbo seized solid, and still full of oil when unbolted from the engine...

Post #466258 Wed Jul 01 2015 5:33pm
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Ady 555
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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Santorini Black

So what is causing these TDV8 turbo failures in your opinion DM ? I have read many theories, some of them stack up, but do we know the real reason?

Post #466261 Wed Jul 01 2015 5:46pm
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Disco_Mikey



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My theory is not allowing them to warm up and cool down properly

An old car of mine, Mk1 Fabia vRS, were apparently quite common for turbo failures.
Mine was not driven hard until everything was hot, always driven gently for the last few miles of any journey, and always got a good 60 second idle before switching off. As well as a good hard booting every now and then Thumbs Up

Never had any turbo issues, even with a remap on it

Post #466265 Wed Jul 01 2015 6:04pm
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RRSTDV8



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I hope you're right - I was always gentle with mine when cold although I didn't leave idling as often as perhaps is ideal. Following my turbo failures, I now have a BAS FBH remote; I start this every morning before getting in the shower so that the coolant (and hence the oil to a degree) is warm. A gentle first mile to allow that warmth to get everywhere is followed by 60 seconds of idling before switch off. Longer idling if I've been on the motorway for a period of time. Fingers crossed that this is sufficient insurance against a further failure.

I'm still convinced the issue is to do with the placement of the turbos in the engine bay and the need to have a supplementary oil scavenging system for them. The TDV8 is too big for the engine bay really. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

Post #466267 Wed Jul 01 2015 6:13pm
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Disco_Mikey



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The lack of external cooling may also be a contributing factor, but only emphasises the need to warm up and cool down correctly Thumbs Up

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Ady 555
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Thanks guys. Thumbs Up
You will be surprised how long it takes to get your engine oil up to temp. I have an oil temp gauge in my P1, and on a day like today, 30c it still took 5 miles of B roads and approx 15 mins to get up to normal running temp. That was off boost all the time. I have always been mechanically sympathetic with all my turbo'd vehicles. Warm up before any boost, cool down after every run. I have never had any problems with any of my vehicles.

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RRSMike



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Scotland 2009 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Santorini Black

Has anyone ever fitted a turbo timer to their RRS?

I used to have a little 1.3 Toyota Starlet Glanza Turbo when I was 19 and it was fitted with one by the previous owner.

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Camelrock



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As above always take it easy till temp is near normal and always let it idle for a minute or so, don't arf get grief from the Mrs !! But I'll do anything to help look after the engine/ turbo's
I have a mate who owns a Scubi ipresa with a turbo timer and as above was wondering if anything similar was available for the RRS's 2008 G4 RRSport TDV8 current
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RRSTDV8



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Ady 555 wrote:
Thanks guys. Thumbs Up
You will be surprised how long it takes to get your engine oil up to temp. I have an oil temp gauge in my P1, and on a day like today, 30c it still took 5 miles of B roads and approx 15 mins to get up to normal running temp.

As a little test I checked the oil temp this morning after the FBH had been running for 30 minutes on the BAS timer. It was 71 degC which dropped to 60degC in the first minute's idling sat on the drive presumably as the oil mixed with cooler oil from the bottom of the sump. Ambient temp on the dash display was 15degC. Oil temp sensor is in the oil pan so it's a fair indication of oil temp in the engine. Oil temp taken from IID Tool (it's in the transmission live values list for some reason).

I take it as a vindication for using the remote FBH even in the summer - getting the oil warm and thus flowing properly right from engine start has to be beneficial. I hope. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

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Disco_Mikey



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Certainly won't do it any harm Thumbs Up

Not too sure about the TDV8, but there is a n engine oil top in engine management, and gearbox + engine oil temp in transmission Thumbs Up

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One other the reasons to turn-off the "Stop-Start" function.

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RRSTDV8



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Disco_Mikey wrote:

Not too sure about the TDV8, but there is a n engine oil top in engine management, and gearbox + engine oil temp in transmission Thumbs Up

I upgraded my IID to ver 3 t'other evening and this morning had another look. As you say, there is now an engine section that wasn't there in ver. 2.18. Great stuff in there. Sadly, this showed the engine oil temp to be only 25degC after 30 mins of FBH at ambient 11degC where coolant temp is at 71degC. That's a lot less than the previous one showed. I left it showing and it got to 55degC within the first mile of gentle driving so not too bad.

I keep thinking of getting a BT version of the IID but I'm about to change tyres, get an MOT and a service is looming soon too so I'm avoiding excess toy-fund spending this month... Whistle 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

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Disco_Mikey



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Speak to Patrick at Gap. He can advise on upgrading to the BT version, and a greatly reduced cost over a new unit Thumbs Up

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Loco98



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Ireland 2012 Range Rover Sport 3.0 TDV6 HST Santorini Black

Just bought a 12 RRS HST TDV6 a few weeks back. Really happy with it. Just curious to know is it just the V8 turbo giving most trouble or is it the V6 also?

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RRSTDV8



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The TDV8 suffers more from turbo issues than the TDV6 do it seems. Thumbs Up 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

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