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Garage Door Medic



Member Since: 02 Feb 2014
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United Kingdom 2013 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Santorini Black
Automatic Handbrake

Only had the beast for 2weeks and keep finding out new things and enjoying every mile in it, wish I could drive it during the week. When I picked it up from the dealer, they told me, when you park up put it in Park and no need to put the handbrake on at all it's all Auto, when you set off stick it in Drive and it releases, but I've been on here a lot and now not sure if it is right to do this or not.
Also what's the black dome thing in the middle of my roof lining I thought it was a light but it doesn't light up.
I know someone is going to call me a daft bat, but I've been called worse.
Thanks MY 13 3.0 SDV6 HSE Black Edition
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Post #415255 Sun Feb 23 2014 9:19pm
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Paul Holywood



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United Kingdom 2007 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Java Black

The EHB has been known to come with issues, yes you can use park only, but you have a handbrake so i would use it.
mine squeeled like a pig when i first used mine, the previous owner didnt use it for three years.
now it works fine.

Post #415256 Sun Feb 23 2014 9:26pm
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fkarim



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In MY13 cars at least, the Electronic Parking Brake can be configured in the CCF file to engage automatically when the key is taken out of the car IIRC. A suitable diagnostic tool is required to change this setting. May be your car has been set to this hence the dealer saying it comes on automatically. EPB on all models releases automatically when driving off.

The centre dome in roof lining is receiver for wireless headphones.

Post #415258 Sun Feb 23 2014 9:40pm
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Garage Door Medic



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United Kingdom 2013 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Santorini Black

Thanks for that.
I park on a slight slope, so before I get out of it, I press the brake pedal, select P take my foot off and it rolls forward a little, never had auto before, does this seem right ?? MY 13 3.0 SDV6 HSE Black Edition
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Post #415260 Sun Feb 23 2014 9:49pm
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fkarim



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Yes, rolling an inch or two is OK. My driveway is also steep and I was having the exact same discussion with someone about the sequence today. I select park, release the footbrake, car rolls a bit, then apply EPB. The guy I was talking to suggested selecting neutral, applying EPB, releasing footbrake, letting the car roll and then selecting park. Apparently the difference is whether the impact of rolling forwards/backwards is absorbed by the parking brake or the gearbox? No idea whether gearbox is even involved in this or if all this is even relevant now with modern cars being intelligent Confused

Post #415262 Sun Feb 23 2014 10:10pm
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garrycol



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The hand brake (EPB) should always be used and while it will release by itself when you drive off this should not be used.

As mentioned the EPB is problematic and can cause issues when it screams - cause is usually lack of maintenance and dirt in the brakes. Likewise leaving it on when driving off can cause similar issues.

However, what do I actually do - on the flat or small hills I put the gearbox into Park and that will safely hold the vehicle. If I park on a steep hill or have a heavy load I always use the EPB as a safety precaution.

As a result I use my EPB less than 10% of the time and that has got to increase it life as long as the system is regularly cleaned and adjusted.

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Post #415271 Mon Feb 24 2014 12:40am
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idrabble



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garrycol wrote:
However, what do I actually do - on the flat or small hills I put the gearbox into Park and that will safely hold the vehicle. If I park on a steep hill or have a heavy load I always use the EPB as a safety precaution.

As a result I use my EPB less than 10% of the time and that has got to increase it life as long as the system is regularly cleaned and adjusted.


Be aware that it is an offence in ACT to leave the park brake unused in a car.

see page 221 of this document - http://www.legislation.act.gov.au/ni/2013-...13-329.pdf

Section 213 (2)

Draconian I know, but there you go.

Post #415277 Mon Feb 24 2014 4:17am
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flack



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As a result I use my EPB less than 10% of the time and that has got to increase it life as long as the system is regularly cleaned and adjusted.


I don't agree with this statement, I would use my EPB and wear that out before using the park position to hold the car as replacing the epb is far cheaper than a new gearbox.. Also I use my epb all the time, never had a problem, its when you don't use it when problems start if and when you do use it, as things start to seize up and this starts the chain reaction that leads to epb problems..

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Post #415283 Mon Feb 24 2014 8:55am
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Andi



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To stop the strain on the park position with the auto box and to make it easier to engage drive without the "clunk" always stop, keeping foot on the brake, then apply EPB. Then release foot from brake and let the car settle, only then move into park position. Thumbs Up

Post #415287 Mon Feb 24 2014 9:13am
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G4LAND



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I'm completely agree with Andi, that's the right procedure Thumbs Up Yuri
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Post #415353 Mon Feb 24 2014 8:34pm
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RRSTDV8



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Orkney Grey

fkarim wrote:
Apparently the difference is whether the impact of rolling forwards/backwards is absorbed by the parking brake or the gearbox? No idea whether gearbox is even involved in this or if all this is even relevant now with modern cars being intelligent Confused

The Park setting moves a piece of metal in to engagement with a toothed ring on the output shaft of the gearbox. By engaging park and then letting the weight of the vehicle roll until the gearbox takes the load you're putting a lot of strain in to the gearbox.

The EPB is a brake. It's designed to absorb braking forces. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

Post #415379 Mon Feb 24 2014 11:25pm
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RRSTDV8



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Orkney Grey

garrycol wrote:
The hand brake (EPB) should always be used and while it will release by itself when you drive off this should not be used.

As mentioned the EPB is problematic and can cause issues when it screams - cause is usually lack of maintenance and dirt in the brakes. Likewise leaving it on when driving off can cause similar issues.

I use the EPB all the time and I drive off through it too. Mine used to be noisy in use but isn't now. It used to be jerky in application but isn't now. I'm not convinced that not using the EPB is good for it. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

Post #415380 Mon Feb 24 2014 11:28pm
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Andi



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The Park position is quite crude as shown below. If applied on a steep gradient without the parking brake first taking the strain, it can jam under the car weight, the only solution is having the car pushed or pulled very slightly to release.

Post #415386 Tue Feb 25 2014 7:15am
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garrycol



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flack wrote:
I would use my EPB and wear that out before using the park position to hold the car as replacing the epb is far cheaper than a new gearbox..


I am not sure how putting it is park wears the gearbox out. 07MY RRS TDV6
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Post #415387 Tue Feb 25 2014 7:33am
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fkarim



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Thanks RRSTDV8. Will change my habit. Good thing is even though I do more miles, Mrs. drives it more frequently and she already follows the correct procedure. At least she said so when asked.

Post #415389 Tue Feb 25 2014 7:51am
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