BigCat8810 wrote:

Cheney makes a good point, when you are busy it is a real pain in the a to be tramping back and forth to dealers etc. When I was having issues last year with my previous vehicle, I wasted far too much time f ing about.

I'd be even more livid if I had a new one which was causing such grief. As per the original post 'why can't they get it right'. It's not as if this is a brand new design, the RRS has been around since '05 so surely the current generation should have benefited from faults being ironed out etc.

300Tdi Defender was the most reliable LR product I ever owned, it was a '97 car with 120k on clock but never broke down! Just a shame it was so easy for some to steal it!

As Cheney and BigCat8810 say it is a real pain to keep returning the vehicle to the dealer, for it to come back with the same faults.

It makes sense for me to use Colliers as they are only 2 train stations away from work, but I have just had enough of them after my HST, so I have booked a collect and return with Guy Salmon Coventry to see if they are any better.

'THe current range rover is nothing like the 05 version and thats the thing to consider, every significant MY change its almost like a new car'

I can't provide evidence to suggest any different, but I would be amazed if the later RRS is complete 'a new car' & whilst it benefits from new engines, gearboxes, interior and cosmetic changes to the look of the vehicle, I would put money (not sure how much) on there being an awful lot of the same stuff in both models. I expect a lot of the electrical components, sensors etc are common to '05 and current models, in my humble opinion. If it was so radically different, then it is a surprise that so many of the faults highlighted by owners of the newer cars are similar to those of the earlier cars in regard to warning lights & multiple systems failures which prove so challenging to diagnose.

I recently parked my RRS next to an old P38 and the body panels are very similar indeed. Also as I understand it the RRS shares a lot of its DNA with the Disco. --------------------------------------------------------
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RRS TDV8 Stornaway (Gone)
RR Vogue TDV8 (Gone)
RRS 4.4V8 (Gone)
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BigCat8810 wrote:

Also as I understand it the RRS shares a lot of its DNA with the Disco.

RRSTDV8 wrote:

It will be interesting to see how much of the new FFRR is shared by the new RRS and whether that also gets shared in to the D4's replacement.

If thats the case then i'd guess they will be fitting the 4.4V8 engine as an option.

^^ Heard that too Ady. Hopefully we'll find out very soon what's true and what's just rumours.

BigCat8810 wrote:

'THe current range rover is nothing like the 05 version and thats the thing to consider, every significant MY change its almost like a new car'

I can't provide evidence to suggest any different, but I would be amazed if the later RRS is complete 'a new car' & whilst it benefits from new engines, gearboxes, interior and cosmetic changes to the look of the vehicle, I would put money (not sure how much) on there being an awful lot of the same stuff in both models. I expect a lot of the electrical components, sensors etc are common to '05 and current models, in my humble opinion. If it was so radically different, then it is a surprise that so many of the faults highlighted by owners of the newer cars are similar to those of the earlier cars in regard to warning lights & multiple systems failures which prove so challenging to diagnose.

I recently parked my RRS next to an old P38 and the body panels are very similar indeed. Also as I understand it the RRS shares a lot of its DNA with the Disco.

Ignoring the engine, gearbox and transmission are a serious part of the car.

Computers have been upgraded, several times, not just software - hardware, latterly to the current OS for the infotainment...but then the ECU's are regularly updated - which you hear about all the time, whether it be firmware because of a fault or as part of updates.

Then there is the internals - design principles the same yes - but things inside have changes...the clocks dash, removal of the gear stick.

Then lets look at the boot - not even a split piece any more...which the associated technology.

Thats before you get into component changes, updates modifications - tweaks to wiring, manufacturing improvement - slight changed styles or added in bits. Suspension and brake changes

All in there are loads of changes at key points making it very different and certainly in all the key places...or the critical important and complex places  Mike

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RRSTDV8 wrote:

Platform/component sharing is central to modern car manufacturing. Look at VAG - a Skoda will have the same parts as an Audi costing considerably more.

What about the upper tailgate switch on my 05 RRS being a Ford Part

My boss used to have an Aston Martin Vanquish, cracked a headlight, cost £1600 to replace. A side indicator failed later, cost to replace £1.40 (or similarly lowly priced)... it was a Ford part  

"Roads ? Where we're going there are no roads." Back to the future.

I've seen a number of FoMoCo logos on bits in my MY08 RRS. I think something to do with the alarm is a Volvo item. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

mse wrote:

BigCat8810 wrote:

'THe current range rover is nothing like the 05 version and thats the thing to consider, every significant MY change its almost like a new car'

I can't provide evidence to suggest any different, but I would be amazed if the later RRS is complete 'a new car' & whilst it benefits from new engines, gearboxes, interior and cosmetic changes to the look of the vehicle, I would put money (not sure how much) on there being an awful lot of the same stuff in both models. I expect a lot of the electrical components, sensors etc are common to '05 and current models, in my humble opinion. If it was so radically different, then it is a surprise that so many of the faults highlighted by owners of the newer cars are similar to those of the earlier cars in regard to warning lights & multiple systems failures which prove so challenging to diagnose.

I recently parked my RRS next to an old P38 and the body panels are very similar indeed. Also as I understand it the RRS shares a lot of its DNA with the Disco.

Ignoring the engine, gearbox and transmission are a serious part of the car.

Computers have been upgraded, several times, not just software - hardware, latterly to the current OS for the infotainment...but then the ECU's are regularly updated - which you hear about all the time, whether it be firmware because of a fault or as part of updates.

Then there is the internals - design principles the same yes - but things inside have changes...the clocks dash, removal of the gear stick.

Then lets look at the boot - not even a split piece any more...which the associated technology.

Thats before you get into component changes, updates modifications - tweaks to wiring, manufacturing improvement - slight changed styles or added in bits. Suspension and brake changes

All in there are loads of changes at key points making it very different and certainly in all the key places...or the critical important and complex places

Wiring looms change all the time, even in model years - principles are the same. They will also change because they have different things to add or deleted...so yes that does also change.

A quick example would be the trailer electrics - looms are differen 10 - 11MY 11My-12 and 13MY on - the former requiring fuses and extra bits the latter being plugs directly behind the bumper

Ive mentioned software, hardware (ECU) updates - they also modify locations of runs if there are identified issues.

A point always to make, if everyone on hear complained about the same thing and you times by 10% or 10 - it would still be a small fraction of the total number sold. Mike

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