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Jonty

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Mon Aug 24 2009 10:40am

Tim in Scotland

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We have a fleet fuel bill that runs into $billions, even small changes can reduce the bill considerably but one thing we learned from the fuel crisis of the 70's is that permanently de-rating the engine isn't that great - when the upturn comes it is useful to have retained the high speed running capablity. It's cheap to de-rate but going the other way can cause all sorts of problems and costs lots.
In the current market there are lots of laid up ships but none are in deep lay-up/totally shut down as the owners found last time round when they did that they they had to pay out $millions per ship to replace all the electronics that couldn't stand being laid up in salty sea air, now the ships are being laid up with their climate control systems still functioning to maintain the computers and requires generators to be running and crew on the ship! 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
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Mon Aug 24 2009 10:48am

Wozz

Member Since: 28 Dec 2008
Location: Cheshire, United Kingdom
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Tim in Scotland wrote:
One may be SHP and the other kW pales into insignificance compared to the latest version of the same engine which is now 110,000kw or is that SHP.................................

By the way I don't suppose you were on the M6 on Friday night near Crewe at about 17:00 were you Tim? A car very similar to yours with same grill and lights was sat in traffic just behind me before I left the motorway. WINNER - 2009 Best Newcomer Award
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Mon Aug 24 2009 1:35pm

McBunny

Member Since: 18 Sep 2008
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2006 Range Rover Sport TDV6 HSE Bonatti Grey

flydive wrote:
Ok, not a V8 but.....
14500 lbs thrust per side, no straight conversion but should work ot about 43000 HP total at 470 kts...

I doubt, Tim or Andy can go that speed with their vehicles...

@Tim:
What I always wanted to ask: How long does it take to fill the fuel and how much does that cost if it wa completely empty?

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Wed Aug 26 2009 3:34pm

V8 andy

Member Since: 11 May 2009
Location: east yorkshire
Posts: 540

2009 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Arctic Frost

McBunny wrote:
flydive wrote:
Ok, not a V8 but.....
14500 lbs thrust per side, no straight conversion but should work ot about 43000 HP total at 470 kts...

I doubt, Tim or Andy can go that speed with their vehicles...

@Tim:
What I always wanted to ask: How long does it take to fill the fuel and how much does that cost if it wa completely empty?

believe me McBunny i sometimes try.

Wed Aug 26 2009 5:45pm

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Thu Aug 27 2009 6:52am

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 30 May 2005
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McBunny wrote:
@Tim:
What I always wanted to ask: How long does it take to fill the fuel and how much does that cost if it wa completely empty?

The total FUEL oil capacity of my current ship is 11,000 tonnes - that is High Sulpher Heavy Oil, Low Sulpher Heavy Fuel, High Sulpher Gas Oil, Low Sulpher Gas oil. Our Gas Oil is a bit like Cnetral heating/ "diesel" oil. In addition we have 290 tonnes of various lube oils.
We never do a completely empty to completely full type fill up - we have to have a fuel reserve of 8 days worth at full speed of HSHFO and 4 days of LSHFO, we rarely burn the HS/LSGO as it is very expensive but we are required to burn it in some ports like Rotterdam where we have to run our generators on LSGO to reduce the emissions.
So ......................... time to fill up? A normal fill-up for us about 9500 tonnes HSHFO @ $350 a tonne and that will take us from North Europe to Japan/China and back to Europe without needing a refill. The HS/LSGO can be a problem as it isn't widely available outside North Europe so we usually only top up enough to see us out of the region when we will change over to HSHFO for the rest of the voyage until we return to North Europe. If we also do a call in California during the voyage then we have to bunker yet another even lower sulphur content grade of heavy fuel, because California has to do their own thing!
Time to bunker - depends on if we get the superbarge in Rotterdam or not. If no superbarge then the various grades come by different barges and it can take the whole port stay (18-24 hours) to load the stem of fuel and lube oils. The superbarge carries about 15,000 tonnes of High and Low sulphur in one lift and can bunker all the grades simultaneously through different hoselines. We can do 9500tonnes in 5-6hours if the barge has heated the fuel to about 90C, any cooler then it takes longer................................ also if it comes onboard that hot then because the fuel expands as it gets warmer we cannot fill to 100%. When the Chief engineer works out his bunker request he always works to 92% or 95%(depends on the CEO) of tankage capacity to allow for hot opil taking up more space than cold oil. Next variable is that when working out the fuel stem the CEO cannot mix HFO taken at different times or ports as there can be chemical reaction between similar fuels that renders them unburnable and also we NEVER (except in an emergency) burn a fuel immediately after it has been taken onboard until a chemical analysis has been carried out on the fuel just taken.
Another problem for the Chief Engineer is that different grades of fuel oil require him to use different lub-oils!
So when we change over from HSHFO to LSHFO we also have to change over the luboil system to a different grade otherwise the engine and auxillary engines (we have 4 huge alternators that also run on the same fuel as the prime mover) can suffer severe damage.
Bet you wish you had never asked!
Oh and fuel consumption on HSHFO at full speed (26 knots at full loaded draft of 14.5m) )is 360 tonnes a day, at economical speed (22.5 knots) 200tpd, consumption is very variable, depending on weather/currents/condition of the underwater hull with regards to marine growth 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
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Thu Aug 27 2009 9:27am

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Tim in Scotland wrote:
In addition we have 290 tonnes of various lube oils.

Life at sea eh!

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Thu Aug 27 2009 9:31am

McBunny

Member Since: 18 Sep 2008
Location: South
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@VA:

@Tim:
Thanks for the detailed information - even though I did not understand everything completely, really!
200 tons a day that's less than 10 tons/hour. I know guys who do half a ton per hour with their private boats so I expected yours to "drink" a little more, that's actually quite economical, I think.
And 26 knots!? That's acually really fast for something that size. It must be quite some long lasting moment if you have to do an emergency stop at that speed... RRS TDV6 HSE, 2006, bonatti grey, ebony interior, rear diff, s/c grille and vents, stormers, privacy, tasmods, iphone integration

Thu Aug 27 2009 9:48am

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