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stevehalluk

Member Since: 16 Apr 2007
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Chipping etc

Hi to all
I'm sure this has been asked before but I can't find it......
If chipping is so good, ie improved performance, fuel consumption, etc
Why don't Landrover sell the vehicle with the enhanced programming itself?
Cheers

Mon Apr 16 2007 4:23pm

Brian Mason

Member Since: 31 Aug 2006
Location: Lurking with intent!!!
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2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Sumatra Black

Re: Chipping etc

stevehalluk wrote:
Hi to all
I'm sure this has been asked before but I can't find it......
If chipping is so good, ie improved performance, fuel consumption, etc
Why don't Landrover sell the vehicle with the enhanced programming itself?
Cheers

Chipping/remapping makes a HUGE difference to the car. LR dont do as standard for several reasons, but the dealers now flog it as an after-sales accessory! Money, money, money!!!

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Mon Apr 16 2007 8:03pm

exint2

Member Since: 23 Feb 2007
Location: Northampton
Posts: 3

The main reasons LR don't "chip" the car as standard is that the same engine has to run in lots of different countries with different standards of fuel and smbient conditions, de-stressing the engine (especially the turbocharger) makes sense as it leads to a lot less potential warranty claims from countries with crap fuel, and hot / dusty environments

Also, and this is the main one "chipping" the car usually increases the emissions, especially of "soot" as Manufacturers are targeted to keep these low and there are different tax bands dependant upon these, engines are often tuned to produce low emmissions at the particular revs / throttle load where the tests are taken, this is not always condusive with maximum performance.

And of course this is not just LR but every turbo diesel on th emarket!

Tue Apr 17 2007 9:40am

Smarticus

Member Since: 26 May 2005
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 939

2005 Range Rover Sport TDV6 HSE Rimini Red

exint2 wrote:
The main reasons LR don't "chip" the car as standard is that the same engine has to run in lots of different countries with different standards of fuel and smbient conditions!

I have never "bought in" to this explanation that the engine is tuned to cope with all country conditions and fuels. Hell Landrover have dozens of other market specific features so having a different engine tune in each market would actually be very easy to achieve (simply hook the ECU up and download the "Spainish" patch or whatever). No the only reason I can come to terms with is that the manufacturer deliberately leaves a substantial margin for error in engine, gearbox and transmission reliability by setting the standard tune to a "moderate" setting. This is particularly necessary when the manufacturer is using a new design for such components, whose long term reliability and resistance to wear & tear is unknown. If the manufacturer had a high incidence of warranty claims for major components (like engines, gearboxes, transmissions, diffs etc) then the costs could be astronomical.

Chipping the vehicle eats into that margin for error and increases the risk of a mechanical failure. However if you are prepared to sacrifice a bit of margin of error for a faster, more responsive and more economical vehicle (that with a friendly dealer will still likely be covered by manufacturers warranty) then go for it ..... RRS TDv8 HSE Rimini
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Tue Apr 17 2007 8:40pm

Brian Mason

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I was told officially it was restricted due to euro-wide emmisions' rules, as exint2 says. However, like Smarticus, I dont buy into it and believe it's a "built-in margin" to prevent the engine being powered to the max. MY12 SDV6 HSE Sumatra/Ebony/Piano/Sidesteps/Privacy/Overfinch Olympus/JLR DRLs

Tue Apr 17 2007 8:48pm

Bobby

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I would go with Smarticus' reasoning. Malaysia Boleh!
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Tue Apr 17 2007 10:58pm

Brian Mason

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Bobby wrote:
I would go with Smarticus' reasoning.

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Tue Apr 17 2007 11:10pm

LRtuning

Member Since: 26 Jul 2005
Location: London and Melbourne
Posts: 403

2006 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Cairns Blue

And we're all forgetting the manufacturers desire to keep us 'hooked' into their brand by releasing higher power models to keep us all aspiring for more. E.g if you chip your TDV6 why would you possibly want to buy the TDV8????

VW did this perfectly with the Golf diesel models Chips with everything

Wed Apr 18 2007 12:29am

noddy and bigears

Member Since: 05 Nov 2005
Location: hants
Posts: 116

common

its common in the truck and plant game for engines to be down rated and then as the product gets older and they have facelifts that include power upgrades ,i know of one truck maufacturer that brought out one of the first 500 hp trucks , the same engine was used in military applications upto 1000 hp with only pump mods

Wed Apr 18 2007 4:48pm

Frisco_TX_RRS

Member Since: 13 Apr 2007
Location: Frisco, TX
Posts: 25

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Any modifications available for a regular HSE?

Wed Apr 18 2007 9:34pm

shmoogle

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For the 4.4 you mean? Not in the UK - indeed that engine is no longer available on the UK market.

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Thu Apr 19 2007 7:54am

LRtuning

Member Since: 26 Jul 2005
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Hello,

The 'older'petrol FFRR has the BMW 4.4 engine which is able to be upgraded....+18 bhp +25Nm torque

As for the RRS non-supercharged we can give + 22bhp + 30Nm torque Chips with everything

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Thu Apr 19 2007 8:09am

shmoogle

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Then I stand corrected (As usual , thanks LRT), but I am right in saying the NA petrol is no longer available in the UK

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Thu Apr 19 2007 8:11am

LRtuning

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Now thats a good question...I presumed that the 'old' BMW engine had been deleted and replaced with the 4.2 V8 from the Jaguar XJ....but I not sure...anyone know? Chips with everything

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Thu Apr 19 2007 8:20am

shmoogle

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There's no NA petrol RRS any longer in the UK market.

TDV6, TDV8, SC V8 as far as I'm aware.

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