Martin wrote:

Do you really care? The RRS is a far better looking vehicle than the X5, which frankly looks horrific.

no shi**

and btw try to go hard core offroad with the X5  
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I've just seen some pictures of the forthcoming X6.................................. it makes the Cayenne and X5 look like bathing beauties. I thought it was a joke at first, but now I know it is. Autocar reckon it could start a new "niche" but I think that there are very few people out there who want a 4x4 with the interior space of a small coupe 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
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I think they were this weeks Autocar mag I didn't find them online. It was while I was whiling away those hours and hours that KLM seem to be able effortlessly add onto their departure times for Intra European flights at Schipol.
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Googled it and there are plenty of sites with it on, try this for a videohttp://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Gener...eId=119193

Or this awful picture http://www.travelizmo.com/archives/000134.html

If you look very carefully at the end of that video there is a very beautiful Land Rover in the background - looks like a P38 RR or an RRS! 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
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X6 looks weird

landroverstormer wrote:

Come on, the X5 is a ScRuMummy car, by that I mean School Run Mummy!

Nothing wrong with that, but being 6ft 3", 18 stone and full of testosterone, I'd not be seen dead in a BMW showroom taking possession of the keys!

I will of course be shot down in flames, but I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking it. Before I go, the opposite cannot be said the other way round as there is something strangely appealing about a female behind the wheel of a Sport!

And the RRS isnt a yummy mummy car. In beaconsfield almost every mum that you see going to Davenies has a 4x4. Then the 4x4 mum possy drive to sainsbury's and park up - well...at least attempt to park their 4x4's and sit in Starbucks for 2 hours nattering away before they go and have their hair and nails done so they look pretty for their stockbroking, fat cat husbands when they come home.
This is a typical scene in Beaconsfield/Gerrards Cross.
Suppose everyone is biased...especially if you own a car in question. Me I'm biased with BMW, I think they're great...and being german helps Its not so clinical but just reliable and well put together.

Personally having gone to school in beaconsfield, it really gets on my nerves when you see all these mum's driving the 4x4's be it ML, RRS, X5, FFRR or even Porker Turbo. None of them can drive them!!!
I'd much rather see all mums relegated to small estates with tractor tyres so that if they go up kurbs they dont damage the alloy's, and if they smack it up a kurb and damage something...its cheaper to fix.
I love 4x4's...dont get me wrong...otherwise I wouldnt be on here joining in on conversation..but what I cant stand is mums with 4x4's and not being able to drive them properly.
Same goes for blokes who think because they got a 4x4 that big alloy wheels were meant to be smacked up kurbs - NO!!

Rant over

Personally I think the RRS is a lot better looking than the new X5. However I dont think the reliability and stats are as good as the X5. The new X5 has imposing looks and is a lot chunkier towards the front.But having said that more often than not I'll turn my head at a RRS because of the way it looks, usually its got big wheels and just looks - Amazing so its what you want from the car. If you want a 4x4 that is a proper 4x4 Land Rover is the way to go but if you want a 4x4 thats sporty and for the road with an elevated driving position then the X5.
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@ Tim: you'd actually be surprised at trying to find a spare aircraft. And in the case of lufthansa for example they may have a few sitting on the ground it would be trying to find pilots.
Currently there is a shortage of pilots and that shortage is increasing each year whilst the demand for air travel is once again growing.
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If it's a onroad capability competition we're after, the X5 will win hands down... even the old X5 drives better onroad than the RRS does. However, I agree that the RRS looks better (although personally, I think the new X5 looks better than the old one) and is better value than the X5 too. Now wrong with the X5 I don't think... and is infinitely better looking than the Cayenne!  

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landroverstormer wrote:

Mike, I own a property in Jordans and drive a RRS. Is that wrong?

No because your a bloke driving a RRS My ranting was over women driving and not knowing how to
I kinda lost the plot half way through my post but I'm just saying that the RRS is a car for the school run, just like all 4x4's. And if the rumours are true about a Bentley 4x4 then it'll be even more appealing.
I just think that the X5 is a capable 4x4 in its own way.
All personal opinion at the end of the day.

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Tim in Scotland wrote:

Autocar reckon it could start a new "niche"

oh my god that X6 looks like it's going to be sick...kinda like the pt cruiser RRS SC Bonatti Grey

I have no clue what they think they're doing with the X6.... all looks very wrong. Well, at least they can't blame it on Bangle - it's not one of his. 

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shmoogle wrote:

............ Well, at least they can't blame it on Bangle - it's not one of his.