More likely the change of registration year on March 1 made your car another year older................

BTW, thanks for posting all the photos, much appreciated being a long way from home at the moment and not being able to stream video over the satellite link we use onboard. 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - soon to be replaced
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

While the RRS certainly looks more 'classic' compared to the Velar's ultra modern styling, is there much difference between them? Flatter surfaces, less thick clamshell bonnet, elongated lights....Stick the Velar nose on the RRS and they will look the same, then the talk comes to the under pinnings. The Velar is a 'soft roader' underneath and will be more car like to drive, the RRS is such an awesome beast, very different.

I have been a JLR fan for a very long time, but the current FFRR/RRS was under Fords stewardship, it is old school car building, the newer TATA invested line up is built different, it is built to a cost, cheaper with higher asking prices. So much so I feel that if you want a keeper buy the older 'Ford' invested products, if you want the latest great, get a PCP and keep paying the money.

I would love a Velar, as I like the latest things, but this will never end, Velar, face-lift RRS, new RRS, facelift Velar, on top of all these cars getting new engines from the Ingenium range at some point rendering the current model out of date....tis the way, sells more cars as people change more often......

Anyway, my soecced Velar comes out at £73k OTR (how much is the new car tax?), my RRS was £76k list but a 10% discount, but the old RFL, we'll see what they offer if I go through with it.... Gone:
2016.5MY RRS HSE Dyn
2015MY Disco Sport HSE
2011MY FL2 HSE
2010MY RRS HSE
2008MY D3 HSE

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As I said before, Velar does look very nice ( I particularly like the tilting screen and deployable door handles, pointless gimmick I know but very ). However, looking at the pictures above of RRS and Velar together, I am not seeing how RRS looks "very dated" in comparison

I also spec'd a Velar as close as possible to my RRS and it touched roughly the same price that I paid for my Sport. It is NOT "between Evoque and Sport" for a decent spec (unless there is a massive price hike due for RRS). I imagine though many people will buy the base model without caring much for extras. They will still get the looks and the badge without having to pay a lot. It will be another successful model for sure. Current: Volvo XC90 T8 Inscription Pro PHEV with some optionals on top
Gone: MY16 RRS2 3.0 SDV6 Autobiography Dynamic, Carpathian Grey & Santorini Black Sliding Pano/Ebony & Ivory 2 Tone
Gone: MY13 RRS 3.0 SDV6 HSE Black Edition, Orkney Grey/Ivory
Gone: MY09 RRS 2.7 TDV6 HSE, Santorini Black/Almond

Good discussions. Reminds me of the time the RRS was launched and the Full Fat Drivers dissed it as the Autobiography was more expensive than the base FF! Same issues here as the prices of the higher spec'd models enter RRS territory!

Tim in Scotland wrote:

More likely the change of registration year on March 1 made your car another year older................

BTW, thanks for posting all the photos, much appreciated being a long way from home at the moment and not being able to stream video over the satellite link we use onboard.

Agree Tim but £7500 less!?

RRSman wrote:

until the facelifted RRS appears (probably March 2018) subject to the GFVs getting sorted(!).

Circa 60%

It will be interesting to see what changes come to MY 2018 RRS as a result of the Velar -
Price increase
Price increase
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Price increase
LED Matrix Headlights
Price increase
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Price increase
New screens in the dash
Price increase
Price increase
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Price increase
Touch sensitive controls on steering wheel
Price increase
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2.0ltr 4cylinder Ingenium Petrol engine
Price increase
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Deletion of any colours of imagination - choice reduced to grey/silvers, wishy wsshy browns, white and black or £7500 extra "Flux" Grey/ Silver
Price increase
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One thing for sure there will be no Price drop. The way prices are going I will be looking at replacing my RRS with a 2.0ltre Mini Countryman I think, expensive but better value than an RRS/ Velar with an unreliable and thirsty 2.0ltr Ingenium 2.0ltr - £30,000 for a very highly specced capable 2.0ltr soft roader versus £60,000 for a capable 2.0ltr soft roader with a very costly badge on the tailgate and bonnet and options that cost a king's ransome.............. and the Mini isn't too wide to lock away in my garage! Even a low spec Evoque or Disco Sport now looks very poor value against the Mini for similar sized cars. 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - soon to be replaced
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

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Agree Tim, £360 now to electrically tilt your steering wheel on the Velar

I wonder when a Autobiography version will be available?
Driving position is bothering me the most about it though.
I think a nice FFRR with a discount is more to my choice.
LOL i think you right Tim. SVR 2018 in Santorini Black.

I reckon the 'Autobiography' designation is going to disappear, just like 'Prestige' did.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/opinion/industry/...or-buttons

RRSman wrote:

Good discussions. Reminds me of the time the RRS was launched and the Full Fat Drivers dissed it as the Autobiography was more expensive than the base FF! Same issues here as the prices of the higher spec'd models enter RRS territory!

You should try to spec a new RRS now to be really able to compare. '08 RRS TDV8
I converted my diesel RRS to run on an environmentally friendly mixture of caribou fat and baby seals oil

RRSman wrote:

Agree Tim but £7500 less!?

I am hoping it is because WBAC received a shed load of enquiries from RRS owners having a looksie when the Velar eas announced and their software has to tackle this as they 'guarantee' the price so have to assume that all those RRS valuations will result in sales to them and hence supply v demand dictates price falls.

Here's hoping, I for one couldn't stand to lose £7.5k overnight....  Gone:
2016.5MY RRS HSE Dyn
2015MY Disco Sport HSE
2011MY FL2 HSE
2010MY RRS HSE
2008MY D3 HSE