DRDILL wrote:

Penny sweet yesterday, house burglary today, armed robbery tomorrow.

When the guy doing 38mph outside your kids school runs your kid over, then you justify to the police that the driver shouldnt be procecuted.

You will say the punishment should fit the crime, well unless you can see the future and know 100% what is around every corner then you can not argue that the law is an ass. He knew what the speed limit was, he chose to ignore it, got caught and got done, i cant see how you can justify that he shouldnt have been?

What makes me laugh is that we know the speed limits and we choose to ignore them, i have and been done for speeding many times and yes i think i was hard done by, all my speedings have been on motorways and dual carriegeways and technicalities, but i got caught and i paid the fine.

DRDILL wrote:

What makes me laugh is that we know the speed limits and we choose to ignore them, i have and been done for speeding many times and yes i think i was hard done by, all my speedings have been on motorways and dual carriegeways and technicalities, but i got caught and i paid the fine.

You need to get one of these https://www.roadangelgroup.com/vantage.aspx It make you more alert and a safer driver.

DRDILL wrote:

We could all try to justify why we shouldnt suffer the same fate as the next man, why? Why should one person not be fined and the next guy fined for the same offence purely because one does 30k miles and the other 5k miles? Sorry that is elitism.

mse wrote:

DRDILL wrote:

We could all try to justify why we shouldnt suffer the same fate as the next man, why? Why should one person not be fined and the next guy fined for the same offence purely because one does 30k miles and the other 5k miles? Sorry that is elitism.

Speeding offences should not carry points, but a fine system - everyone pays the fine in the current scenario its the points and ban that changes.

1st Offence should be driver training
2nd X fine
3rd X fine
4th Y fine
5th Y fine
6th z fine
7th z fine - final warning
8th points

Record cleared every 3 years, coupled with a speed review on Motorways and dual carriage ways and to include a weather condition criteria

Ady 555 wrote:

mse wrote:

DRDILL wrote:

We could all try to justify why we shouldnt suffer the same fate as the next man, why? Why should one person not be fined and the next guy fined for the same offence purely because one does 30k miles and the other 5k miles? Sorry that is elitism.

Speeding offences should not carry points, but a fine system - everyone pays the fine in the current scenario its the points and ban that changes.

1st Offence should be driver training
2nd X fine
3rd X fine
4th Y fine
5th Y fine
6th z fine
7th z fine - final warning
8th points

Record cleared every 3 years, coupled with a speed review on Motorways and dual carriage ways and to include a weather condition criteria

Err no, if you get caught speeding that many times then you really shouldn't be on the road, a total disrespect of road safety

I disagree, firstly it has an increasing scale, therefore more money in a bigger punishments, whilst also allowing the person not to be a drain on society. so benefits

Second speed and safety are not intrinsically linked - you can kill and 40 and not kill at 60.

I did miss the speed trap/camera statement i meant, but still its easy to make a few quick mistakes and those mistakes to be capitalised on eg: motorway roadworks - should you get done for speeding once, or three times? what's fair and reasonable

before you get into the court ban area you can have 5 incidents currently - but actually as mentioned you dont always get a ban so actually what im saying is a punishment that fits the crime.

Oh by the way - this system is used in other parts of the work  Mike

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I do agree if you are caught speeding then you should be fined and get points that fit the speed of what you are doing, but we should still never take common sense out of the decission making process.
It is proven that if someone is determined to drive a car anyway, he/she will not care if they have a driving license, or insurance etc, they will still get behind the wheel then crash into the back of you leaving you to foot the bill for the repair, then they little turd gets off with a small fine and some communty service.  2010 Alaska white 3.6TDi v8, heated steering wheel, Ipod connection, Aribica extended leather, Digital TV, voice activation, privacy glass, Dynamic pack
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Ha-ha sounds sensible to me too  2010 Alaska white 3.6TDi v8, heated steering wheel, Ipod connection, Aribica extended leather, Digital TV, voice activation, privacy glass, Dynamic pack
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I would take the points if I were you... I have two examples of were my vehicle and /or me was caught speeding;

1st in a Saab 93, myself and approx 4 other cars ran over bits of a bicycle that had fallen off a car on the M4 at 4am, Thames Valley police attended and I carried on my journey at reduced speed until I could get the tyre replaced and switch from the Space Saver.... hours later stopped by Marked Motorcycle, he claimed I was speeding and I disputed it.. I really did not think I was speeding, I claimed my speedo showed 70-75, he claimed 86... I got Saab to check it out and they put forward that the damage in the morning could of damaged the speed sensor on that wheel and therefore indicated wrong speed. It went to court, I got 6 points and £200 fine and £75 costs, worse got an SP60 "undifined speed" basically the cop was ed that I had argued!!!

2nd I was sent a nip in 07 when in my 1st RRS on the way to Cornwall, van parked at the bottom of a curved hill dual carriage way (A30/303 cant remember). Photo of my car at a distance with enhanced protion showing number plate, Anyway, they asked who was driving? I wrote back and said I dont know... they wrote back saying I must disclose the Driver?

I then wrote back saying "I was travelling from Basingstoke to Truro with Mrs Wokka and her parents and because of the distance and for safety we took regular breaks and took turns to drive" I produced my insurance for me & Mrs Wokka and my father-in-laws showing him and his wife were able to drive 3rd Party to support that it could be any one of us. I went on to say "that whilst I appreciate you specifiying a location I had no idea where this was as I dont use the road often and was regrettebly unable to provide 100% information as to the driver at the that point, maybe a bettter photo would allow me to assist you?" (keep reading...) They wrote back again with the most stupid pixcaled photo and demanded I idenetify who was the driver! I wrote back;

"thankyou for the digitally enhanced photo, I have shown it to all those that travelled and we have reviewed the location on Goolge maps and I am really sorry that I cannot recall who was driving at that point, by all means if the officer can maybe ID who was driving from supporting video or CCTV then of course I will supply the required information"


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Of course it's ridiculous to claim that if your car is caught on a camera the registered owner is automatically banged to rights,lots of people use the law in court and quite often cases are dropped due to lack of evidence before it even gets that far,if everyone exercised that legal right there wouldn't be any cameras because the courts would be full and the government would be losing money thereby defeating the whole object,my solution is to put more traffic police back on the roads as deterrents and for those experienced traffic officers to pick up the drunks,tailgaters and dangerous drivers who cause far more accidents in my experience than drivers slightly over the limit on completely empty rural roads and motorways.
Another valid argument against them is that it only penalises the honest,have you ever been down the A3 through Surrey into London,dozens of presumably unlicensed and uninsured cars going through a succession of 50mph cameras at over 70 because they know they are untraceable,how that that be equitable? MY2011 HSE Santorini/Ivory/Piano Black/Privacy Glass/TV .Sadly gone.
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Of course you can decide what is safe,its just our nanny state that is trying to penalise you for doing it ,the French and Germans have a much more realistic system where variable speed limits are strictly enforced with on the spot fines but based on terrain and weather,I feel completely safe over there doing 130 mph so why does that change when I cross back over into the UK,it is a nonsense.
It's really not about speed its about driving safely and in my opinion its harder to do that when you are constantly looking at your speedo and for hidden cameras. MY2011 HSE Santorini/Ivory/Piano Black/Privacy Glass/TV .Sadly gone.
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Let's all agree to disagree......we all speed, we all consider our driving safe (otherwise we wouldn't drive like that), the bottom line is some people are idiots who are a real danger, some are decent safe, moral people.

I don't like the "what if you ran over a kid" arguement..........the kid shouldn't run into the road, similar to when a policeman told me to "watch my driving, as its easter Monday and there are p ssed people about" (direct quote), should we change our driving style for the potential wrong doing of others? Whether it be kids running into roads, drunk people staggering into them?

Maybe we should change speed limits on motorways to 10mph in case kids are playing on them

DRDILL wrote:

we dont have a leg to stand on.

DRDILL wrote:

You will have to admit to being caught speeding FACT, that is why i say you have no leg to stand on.

Not if you don't know who was driving

Then all you have to admit to is that your car was caught speeding.

I think you protest too much.

You originally said you were both getting over the night before !! and that neither you or your colleague had enough mental capacity on the day to remember who was driving where and when.

Having drunk that much we'll bypass the obvious question whether or not your blood/alcohol levels would still have been over the limit just a relatively few hours later !! Just as well there wasn't an emergency that need the driver's full attention.

Go to court and try your best but I have to confess that it wouldn't need a judge with a MENSA IQ to smell a 'try-on' and, if he/she did come to that opinion there's a high probability they'll hit you with a much, much higher penalty and which your insurers may also not like too much either.

As a betting man I wouldn't back these slim odds; I'd take view that "the first loss is the best loss".