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Dave-t Member Since: 18 Jan 2020 Location: Glasgow Posts: 436 |
There’s been a few people done the back, but I don’t recall the problems. Thanks fir helping me decide not to even bother looking.
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Sun Apr 11 2021 6:00am |
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naks Member Since: 15 Jul 2016 Location: Stellenbosch Posts: 1167 |
Do you need a 2018 front bumper to fit these lights, or can you stay with the original one? --
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Sun Apr 11 2021 6:50am |
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Oldandconfused Member Since: 18 Jun 2017 Location: Norfolk Posts: 778 |
That certainly does look involved, well done for giving it a go and I look forward to seeing the finished item
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Sun Apr 11 2021 7:30am |
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Lindab Member Since: 20 Nov 2017 Location: Dundee Posts: 897 |
Is it worth all that work. Most people would not notice if it 2018+ or -. Saying that, its your car & you can do what you want. Good luck anyway |
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Sun Apr 11 2021 11:10am |
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RRT Member Since: 26 Mar 2018 Location: South Coast Posts: 247 |
I previously had a 2013 Evoque which had the "round" signature DRLs at the front, I always thought when then did the facelift in 2015/16 they ruined the front end. Personally (and this is only my personal opinion) I feel the round DRL lights looked far less generic on the road and make the RR look different/more unique. Since JLR when all rectangular there just is not the same on road presence. MY17 RRS 4.4d V8 Autobiography - Aintree Green (also referred to on Topix as British Racing Green) |
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Sun Apr 11 2021 1:08pm |
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CountJunkula Member Since: 28 Jan 2016 Location: Wolverhampton Posts: 15 |
In fairness it could be a lot easier than I've made it out to be here. In hindsight, where I went wrong is that I tried to save a bit of money buying a cheaper bumper not realising that it came with crucial parts missing. The other Issue I've had is trying to find any solid information about exactly what parts are required. If I'd started with a list of part numbers for the parts that I would need and had bought a set of bumpers that came complete (with mounts/loom/lights/sensors/etc) I imagine the conversion would be considerably easier. That's really the main reason I started this thread. Once I'm done I will add a definitive list of the parts that are needed for anyone else that wants to do the conversion.
Yes you do, the lights are a different shape so you need to do the complete front end conversion if you want the facelift the lights.
The new lights are LED which I don't think legally require the washers in UK (on all new BMWs with LEDs for example they don't even have headlight washers at all). That being said; I actually didn't want to bodge it like that, which is why I bought the extra damaged bumper with the fittings I need on it. hopefully I'll be able to transplant the washer mounts from the damaged bumper onto my good facelift bumper and will be able to keep the washers fully functioning.
Probably not, I'm not fussed about other people noticing, I just prefer the look myself and enjoy a project I'm hoping that once I'm done I can recoup some of my costs by selling my old front/rear end. That's the other reason why I don't want to start cutting bits off my old bumper if i can help it. Ask me again in a few weeks and I'll tell you if it's worth it or not Last edited by CountJunkula on Fri Jun 25 2021 3:15pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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Sun Apr 11 2021 6:55pm |
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nick09@live.co.uk Member Since: 08 Jul 2020 Location: East Yorkshire Posts: 5 |
Hi how did you order headlights from China have Hou a link and how much are they ? Thanks |
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Sun Apr 11 2021 8:52pm |
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Red Arrow Member Since: 06 Jun 2017 Location: Scotland Posts: 587 |
Remember you also need to change the wings to the 2018 on ones |
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Sun Apr 11 2021 10:40pm |
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CountJunkula Member Since: 28 Jan 2016 Location: Wolverhampton Posts: 15 |
Hello again all, it's been a while and I meant to update this thread sooner.
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Thu May 20 2021 2:06pm |
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RRSTDV8 Member Since: 12 Aug 2011 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 8971 |
How much did it cost you to do the whole thing? 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
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Thu May 20 2021 2:50pm |
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prince2150 Member Since: 20 May 2021 Location: Sydney Posts: 5 |
hey mate, congrats on the conversion.
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Thu May 20 2021 3:13pm |
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CountJunkula Member Since: 28 Jan 2016 Location: Wolverhampton Posts: 15 |
I've had a bit of a game with headlights... Firstly, as I mentioned above, I originally bought some Matrix-style aftermarket headlights from Alibaba. This turned out to be a mistake. Once of the headlights had a loose screw inside, the other had a cable tie stuck in there with no way to get it out. I fitted the lights anyway until I could get some replacements and the light pattern was awful, seriously bad. The seller insisted that they were UK legal so I took them to a local car garage here in the UK to get them adjusted and tested. 5 minutes in and the guy calls me over saying that he has had to set the beam as low as it will possibly go in order to meet the regulations, but even then - technically they would be classed as a fail due to the light pattern. He showed me that there should be a distinct sharp horizontal line on the wall, but on these lights it was just a hazy splodge (for want of a better word) of light. I could tell just from driving in the dark that the light beam on my original pre-facelift lights was significantly better than these Matrix replicas. He did say that "on a good day" he might just about pass them on an MOT, but that officially they were a fail. I didn't fancy much having headlights that may-or-may-not fail the MOT every year depending on how strict the tester is feeling that day. In addition to the awful light beam, inside the cabin the lights also caused the indicator light to flash really fast to tell you that a bulb was out. On the outside the indicator looked great, worked fine and had the sweeping indicator light, but it was driving me crazy inside flashing at a hundred miles an hour every time I used the indicator. This could have been 'fixed' by cutting the wiring loom and soldering in some resistors apparently but I already knew I wouldn't bee keeping the lights at that point. I ended up returning the lights to the seller for a refund which was a shame because they looked really good, the indicators looked good too and when you unlocked the car the lights did a little flashing dance/sequence that looked really good, but at the end of the day it's no good having a headlight that looks great but doesn't actually do what it's supposed to do. Second time around I bought some Genuine MID lights from another seller on Alibaba. This time the lights were original UK spec RHD lights. They have all the Varroc/Land Rover logos on, LR part numbers/stickers etc, but the seller has to remove/scratch these off to get it through customs. I have inspected the lights and you can still see the logos and where the stickers were, they're just scratched over and covered with tape. Other than it's clear that these ared Genuine, top quality lights and the work brilliantly exactly as they should. The first set of Matrix-style knockoff lights just had a pre-facelift connector on the back. Sicve the MID light sI bought are actually just genuine lights, they have the factory facelift connector on the rear which is totally different to the pre-facelift. It does however come with a plug-n-play wiring loom that piggy backs into the original wiring so fitting was really easy. These lights don't do the little dance when you turn the car on (like the aftermarklet Matrix ones did) and they don't have sequential indicators/blinkers (neither do the factory L494 facelift cars with MID lights, so it's no different there), but I have had them tested at the same UK MOT centre (that failed the aftermarket ones) and they passed right away with no problems and no adjustment needed. The light pattern is a nice sharp horizontal line. The interior indicator/blinker also now works normally which is a relief, no errors. The lights are genuine UK RHD lights and they work exactly as you would expect. In total the MID genuine headlights shipped including the plug-n-play loom was around £1500. The previous Matrix ones were around £900 delivered, but they were seriously not fit for purpose. The main expenses were: Headlights: £1500 from Alibaba Taillights: £350 from eBay (they're the powerfulUK ones) Wings: £400 from eBay Rear Bumper: £180 from eBay Front Bumper (complete with grills/lights/etc): £550 Intercooler ducts: approx £40 each from dealer Arch liners: approx £44 each from dealer Grill: £70 Various other bits/brackets: approx £150 I bought all of the bits in Santorini black and haven't had to paint any of them. Also bare in mind that you should get around £1500 back by selling your old front/rear bumpers/headlights/tail lights/air ducts/wings/brackets/arch liners/grill/etc. Someone who's just bought a salvage car will likely buy all of it in one shot. In total the whole conversion front and rear (once I have sold all my old stuff which is mint condition) should come in around £1800. Not too bad I think considering the prices of some of the awful aftermarket body kits etc. Was it worth it? For me, probably yes, but I've always enjoyed working on cars so I actually enjoyed the project and the challenge of researching and sourcing all the parts. Some companies offer the full conversion for around £10k, but there's no way that would be worth it, just buy the facelift car! Mine is a 2014 so to buy a genuine 2018+ facelift Range would cost 2-3 times the cost of my whole car. I also much prefer the look of the facelift car. Now it's pretty much finished I'm at a loose end, I'm now looking at face-lifting our downstairs bathroom to keep me busy... One last thing I will say is that when I was looking for parts online such as the intercooler ducts, arch liners etc - many of the parts were actually far cheaper to buy direct from LR than they were on eBay. I almost bought ONE used arch liner on eBay for £140, I just happened to call the local dealership first to check that it was the correct part number and found out that it was only £80 for a PAIR directly from them! If you keep an eye on eBay there are some real bargains that come up (bumpers, wings, etc) but for all the other stuff check direct with the dealership first! For example, these are on eBay right now:
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Thu May 20 2021 3:43pm |
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Heremyjill Member Since: 01 Jun 2020 Location: Shrewsbury Posts: 87 |
Do you think this service will mean we do not need new bodywork panels etc. ?
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Fri May 21 2021 8:05am |
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CountJunkula Member Since: 28 Jan 2016 Location: Wolverhampton Posts: 15 |
Unfortunately not, what those guys do is you send them your genuine facelift lights that you've already bought (which are a totally different shape) and they will convert them to work with your standard pre-facelift wiring harness. Then you fit them along with the new grill/wings/bumper as I did above. In my case the lights hadn't been converted but instead they came with an external plug-n-play wiring loom that does the conversion for you. Either way there is absolutely no way to use the new lights with your pre-facelift kit because they're a totally different shape inside and out. HTH |
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Fri May 21 2021 11:46am |
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