So no more new Petrol or Diesel vehicles (Cars/Vans, Motorcycles, and small lorries) after 2040.
This seems a very crazy answer before there are hydrogen or electric cars with the range and capabilities of the RRS, as well as a 30min max charge time.
It also bans all new Hybrid cars so you cannot by pass the catch that way.
The government will also loose a small fortune on loss of carbon fuels, they can't load electric prices surely?

Thoughts and comments on this please..................  John

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The Government report includes no more Hybrid cars after 2040, unless already altered it, but by then who knows what they will say, many fuel stations will close.  John

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Where will they get all there tax from then

Its a ban on new sales so there will be petrol and diesel around for some time after that, and they will need fuel. However as time goes on and fuel isn't needed so much are we going to be able to use classic cars, or have they got to go too. there is no tax on electric vehicles and there will be no fuel tax to be paid, so a massive loss in revenue. Also not all houses have garages or drives, who gets sued when someone trips over a cable on the foot path. The street light chargers wont work, as there is only one light to around 10 houses, and you cant get 10 cars by one light, so again cables down the foot path.
I do understand the reasons and need to cut pollution, but this seems to be like putting the cart before the horse.

I can't fathom why they would ban hybrids, as they solve quite a few of the huge problems surrounding all-electric vehicles, such as range, availability of charging points, time spent at charging points if mid-journey, home charging when premises unsuitable, etc. If this is really what they intend, of course - in the same breath commentators are comparing with 'similar' Norwegian plans, which DO include hybrids. People in rural areas would be stuck without infrastructure as well - they haven't managed to get broadband to my house yet (not to mention mains water, sewage, and gas!) so I won't hold my breath waiting for charging points in the area. Then there is revenue - apparently 4% of government income comes from fuel duty, so there's some 'innovative thinking' required there to find a way to replace it (apart from squeezing the remaining i.c.e.owners for everything they've got, of course).Personally, I think the timing will slip as reality dawns and the urgent necessity to demonstrate eco-credentials passes, but luckily I'll be nearly 100 by then anyway, so won't have to live to see the chaos of this and all the other retrograde changes that are constantly occurring.

Where will they get the electricity to charge all the cars/trucks from? There is very little spare capacity at the moment. Are they banking on new technologies , i.e. fuel cell etc? I suppose 20 years is plenty of time for technology to leap forward.

Hang one, didn't France do this a couple of weeks ago?

Yes, they did, and I for one laughed at their stupidity and was grateful that we weren't so daft here! Maybe Macron should jump under a bus and see if Gove does that as well??

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Where will they get the electricity to charge all the cars/trucks from?

In transport/vehicle evolution a couple of decades is no time at all. a silly headline grabbing and premature announcement that will get modified.

Electricity and batteries are not the answer with present or projected technology.
The Government will loose hundreds of millions of pounds, yes I'm sure they will!
Hydrogen and other fuel technology, must be a better course than batteries?
All the new trains currently being built, except a few pure electric ones, are Diesel or Electric/Diesel so they can travel on non electrified lines.
No mention of replacement of masses of smokey buses on diesel, most towns don't have the new London busses, and don't get me started on the lorry fleets. Where are the batteries going to fit for hundred of miles trips and abroad and hauling 44 Tons? All very ill thought out.
Current diesel technology has now vastly reduced these levels and if every Car and van are taken off the road, the Aircraft flying overhead will still pump out more pollution than all those cars removed, because of the massive pollution they produce including even the latest designs.
Don't believe all the bullshit, some obviously is true, but much isn't, and the plans to remove speed humps, traffic lights and increase speed limits have been told for years to government to reduce pollution, so why do we still have to wait till 2040?  John

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There is no way the infrastructure will be in place in 23 years time. 2040 will come and the target won't be met, as with any U.K. Government of late, this target will be missed and put back at least another 10 years.
The worlds' oil companies will not roll over on this and given that the majority of pension plans are invested in oil production, this will be one almighty headache for any government to overcome
Until such time as alternative powered vehicles have the ability, performance, durability and cost as current fossil fuelled vehicles, no government will be able to enforce this proposed legislation through
Finally, given this country barely produces enough electricity to cope with our current energy demands, how do they foresee building the power stations, wind farms and solar farms necessary to delivery the additional demand within the next 20+ years? Just look at how long it has taken for Hinkley Point to get sorted!

One way that the government could reduce emissions today would be to force road haulage off the roads and back onto the great canal network which is hugely under-utilised. A barge can haul as much as most big trucks but just not quite as quickly.
If they are intent on removing emissions producing transportation then how are they going to get around re-engining all the ships that ply the oceans - they burn the lowest quality, most emissions producing oil in their huge engines until they get into port when they then have to change over to ultra low sulphur diesel oil now, but they still produce more emissions than all the cars, trucks and planes put together. Shipowners have manage to avoid having to comply with most emissions regulations to date and are still kicking and screaming about having to burn ULSDO in the European emissions control area because it is expensive and most marine Diesel engines have problems running on it. 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
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Given that new car registrations in 2016 topped 2.7 million, lets assume then, in 2040 there will be at least that figure in electric car sales.
So, the government has 23 years to dig up every road in the uk that allows on street parking, every car park in Britain and every motorway service area which will need a lot more charging posts than they currently have, basically everywhere in Britain that vehicles are parked for any length of time. They then have to lay literally thousands of miles of cable, install millions of charging posts, build new substations, build at least another 20Gw of power generation etc etc. All within current planning legislations, all with the consent of the public and business and with no elongated legal matters to slow things down.

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