I tested the RRS in late 2009 both in 4.4l V8 Petrol and 3.6 V8 Diesel. I drove the petrol first and remember thinking WOW what a really nice car. I took the diesel next and thought in comparison that it was rough and much less refined. Strike out Diesel. I new the 4.4L petrol was going to be replaced by a 5l V8 for the 2010 model year - OK not long to wait. Horrors RR dropped Dynamic Response on the 5l normally aspirated petrol - you couldn't even order it as an option even though the mostly lowly V6 diesel could have it specified. Ever since RR has not made Dynamic Reponse available and any pertol model apart from the supercharged V8.

Move on 12 months - I went to trade my 2001 V8 Discovery 2 on a new 5l V8 Discovery 4 - I didn't consider the 5l RRS as it was slower than the Discovery 5L and didn't have the same levels of equipment and no Dynamic Response.

Sorry Sir there are none available at the moment and it is around a 6 month waiting time to order one and we can't give you a trade in price. We are now talking 2011 model year and RR don't even offer a V8 diesel version of the Sport so buying a RRS was not even an option as I didn't want the spend the amount required to buy the Supercharged V8. Just as I was about to walk out they said we have a new 2010 highly specified TDV8 or a low specification supercharged V8 at discounted prices - we need to move them. To end the long story I bought the TDV8 - In hindsight I should have paid the extra $20K and bought the supercharged V8.

After 5 years of diesel ownership would I by other diesel - no. They are not as refined as very good petrol engine, the power delivery is not as progressive and relaxing (I have driven a 5l Discovery at length compared to my TDV8 - no comparison the petrol wins all the time), the total life cost is significantly higher, they are not significantly more economical on fuel compared to a petrol (13l/100km TDV8 vs 14l/100m 5l V8 Discovery) and diesel here is 20% more expensive than petrol.

Both LR and RR are no longer interested in selling petrol engined cars (except in the US). With the diesel problems of DPF's, Urea Injection, blocked EGR systems, clogged inlet manifold systems etc - It is not an engine of choice. In fact I couldn't buy a 2016 diesel as I don't ever drive fast enough or long enough to allow DPF regeneration to occur and having to take out the car just to regenerate the DPF is crazy mans talk.

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Both LR and RR are no longer interested in selling petrol engined cars (except in the US)

So, the SVR is something that LR and RR are not interested in? The fact they've just introduced a third petrol engine into the range in the UK also means they are not interested?

Oh - and they aren't interested in the 5.0V8 Petrol (such as mine)? With more and more countries discouraging Diesel engines I believe that LR are actually ahead of the curve on this.

It appears, wrongly or rightly, that you have real issues with LR, however I suggest that you make sure you are in possession of all the facts before making sweeping statements.

Perhaps you should just buy something else and move on. Either way, I am sick of your continuous whinging and moaning. 2014.5 Mariana Black 5.0 Supercharged V8 Autobiography

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I didn't think we lived in a Cold War Eastern Block world anymore. I stand corrected.

I may very well be wrong, but don't car manufacturers get classed/charged by co2 emissions across the range? In which case, this may be the reason for the car (assuming it did actually come to fruition). Win win for them. Sell some 2.0 rrs to the school run mob, lower brand emissions and potentially get them on the list for some company cars.

To be fair the xc90 is a 2 litre and is seemingly ok. Not saying it's right, but it is the way many companies are going. Thing is, the roads round my way are alrady flooded with new rrs. Bring a 2 litre out, and just about everyone will have one. 2010 TDV8

You could very well be right.

Average fuel consumption is a big problem for JLR. MY2016 HSE D SDV6 - gone due to fuel dilution problems.

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I tested the RRS in late 2009 both in 4.4l V8 Petrol and 3.6 V8 Diesel. I drove the petrol first and remember thinking WOW what a really nice car. I took the diesel next and thought in comparison that it was rough and much less refined. Strike out Diesel. I new the 4.4L petrol was going to be replaced by a 5l V8 for the 2010 model year - OK not long to wait. Horrors RR dropped Dynamic Response on the 5l normally aspirated petrol - you couldn't even order it as an option even though the mostly lowly V6 diesel could have it specified. Ever since RR has not made Dynamic Reponse available and any pertol model apart from the supercharged V8.

Move on 12 months - I went to trade my 2001 V8 Discovery 2 on a new 5l V8 Discovery 4 - I didn't consider the 5l RRS as it was slower than the Discovery 5L and didn't have the same levels of equipment and no Dynamic Response.

Sorry Sir there are none available at the moment and it is around a 6 month waiting time to order one and we can't give you a trade in price. We are now talking 2011 model year and RR don't even offer a V8 diesel version of the Sport so buying a RRS was not even an option as I didn't want the spend the amount required to buy the Supercharged V8. Just as I was about to walk out they said we have a new 2010 highly specified TDV8 or a low specification supercharged V8 at discounted prices - we need to move them. To end the long story I bought the TDV8 - In hindsight I should have paid the extra $20K and bought the supercharged V8.

After 5 years of diesel ownership would I by other diesel - no. They are not as refined as very good petrol engine, the power delivery is not as progressive and relaxing (I have driven a 5l Discovery at length compared to my TDV8 - no comparison the petrol wins all the time), the total life cost is significantly higher, they are not significantly more economical on fuel compared to a petrol (13l/100km TDV8 vs 14l/100m 5l V8 Discovery) and diesel here is 20% more expensive than petrol.

Both LR and RR are no longer interested in selling petrol engined cars (except in the US). With the diesel problems of DPF's, Urea Injection, blocked EGR systems, clogged inlet manifold systems etc - It is not an engine of choice. In fact I couldn't buy a 2016 diesel as I don't ever drive fast enough or long enough to allow DPF regeneration to occur and having to take out the car just to regenerate the DPF is crazy mans talk.

I know 5 other RRS L494 owners all who have come from X5s, Q7s etc. All of them say that the RRS is the best car they have ever owned. I would agree with that. RRS P460e
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Many big trips done in this one.
1982 Rangerover nearly restored.
22 Defender D250 with lots of stuff for outback touring
Nice 2013 Freelander TD4 manual (for daughter to learn on) with much better stereo compared with previous SD4 SE with Meridian which sounded bad!
2013 Land Rover Defender ute.

The L494 is a great design compared to the competition, if you suffer any issues with it and LR's frustrating attitude at times can change the overall opinion of the RRS.

I had a Jaguar XF with the 4-pot 2.0 diesel in it when my RRS was in for warranty work, and it was bloody awful, really spoilt the whole image! Really agricultural sounding, and a bone shaker, especially when idling. Acceleration was pretty good, but not the sort of clatter you'd expect in such marques...

My dealer joked yesterday that the 0-60 on this new model is recorded on a calendar not a stop watch! 2012 Evoque
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2015 SVR for the fun stuff
2016 Evoque SI4 Dynamic Lux for the daily drive
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2018 SVR

The 170BHP Ingenium diesel engine is not exactly "up there" in terms of NVH vs the competition, wonder what the 240BHP version will be like?

And when will we see the Ingenium petrols? MY2016 HSE D SDV6 - gone due to fuel dilution problems.

By the age of 50 you have the face you deserve - George Orwell.