Hi all

A recent enquiry to Lookers concerning reports of thefts of keyless Range Rovers brought a not surprising response.

They claim to be unaware of such reports and that JLR deny there are any known incidents of key cloning.

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Definitely

My DS has a key module that is tamper proof - if I lose a key I need 2 replacement keys and new module now to prevent scumbags cloning a key. Small price to pay for peace of mind

I presume all new LRs are same now but not sure when this was fitted from - I know my last RRS MY13 wasn't secure and posts on here about early RRS2s being stolen like this

I can not believe LR didn't inform all dealers about this

Tell your dealer to read the papers

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/oct/...ss-locking

http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/m...ag-8376073

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33506486

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/pull...79074.html Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

depends how you look at it

a key is scanned and cloned

or a new key is programmed to be used via the ODB port and a pc

two slightly different methods and the latter is the one that made the news

IIRC all RRS since 2014.5MY will only recognize the 2 original fobs programmed to it, no other fobs can be programmed to it now which is why it was important to have the security recall carried out. I had an update carried out to my 2014MY Evoque that scanned the ECU for any additional fobs that could have been programmed to the system and after the car had been in I was warned that if I ever lost a fob that I would have to have two new fobs and the module replaced as Muddywheels states so I assume that there was also some sort of software changes at the same time.
There is also an aftermarket method of shielding the OBD Port if you are still concerned, another is to ensure that you don't use Valet Parking services or leave your keys with car park attendants at long term parking outlets 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
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It's the KVM or keyles vehicle module that is being replaced. They are being replaced with a unit that will only accept 2 keys and never anymore. The theives were breaking a window or plugging into the obd port to code a new key in rather than cloning them. The new modules mean that if you lose a key and want a replacement then the job of a spare key which I charge around £160 to do now becomes over £1000 as you have to replace the module with 2 new keys. Being an auto locksmith I program keys to vehicles all day every day and had an Evoque to do this week for a trade customer who bought it with one key. I rang the local dealers and asked them if it had been recalled for the KVM replacement which they acted dumb and said they knew nothing about!! They told me it was due an engine management recall but couldn't tell me what for. Another trader I spoke to a few days after had sent in a vogue to the same dealer for this recall and ended up with his vehicle back with 2 brand spanking new keys?? When asked why the dealer told him that as his old key was looking a bit worn so they replaced it with 2 new ones a as a good will gesture!! 16 model year yulong white autobiography
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I have been informed by another DS owner that the new KVM module has already been compromised and sent links to an OBD key learning device and an adapter making access to OBD possible without even breaking window

He has sent the info to JLR and received a corporate response similar to the picture below which did little to give him any confidence in the system

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Hi muddy-wheels

Can you kindly share the unwelcome information you have that negates hiding or blocking the OBD?

Michael
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Well received reply today and looks like I'll be upgrading security now on the DS although I think the scumbags will be more interested in RRS imho

CRC@LandRover wrote:

Hi muddywheels

Thank you for your post.

I note your comments and can confirm that we have been made aware of the devices in question and this information has been passed on to the relevant area of the business for investigation.

Please be assured that Land Rover are continuously taking pro-active steps in order to implement new and more robust security features and stay one step ahead of criminals. We would politely advise you to contact your local or preferred Retailer directly should you have any outstanding concerns regarding the security of your vehicle.

A free security check can be completed by any franchised Retailer. The security check will quickly ascertain whether there are any additional keys (above the number of keys the owner/ driver holds for the vehicle) paired to the vehicle.

I can also confirm that all of our vehicles continue to meet the insurance industry requirements as tested and agreed with relevant insurance bodies.

Please see below a list of useful information that can be used to reduce risk of vehicle theft:

- Always try and park in a well-lit area
- Always lock your car and ensure deadlocks are activated by pressing the lock button twice
- Physical /visible devices may also act as a deterrent
- Check with your retailer how many keys have been programmed for your vehicle
- Only use retailers you trust to maintain your vehicle
- Think twice if you are going to give your keys to unknown third parties. Treat your car keys and car like you would treat your credit card

As this is a public forum, for reasons of security I would be unable to advise regarding the specifics of the security systems of our vehicles, however I can assure you, as detailed above that we take such matters very seriously.

I hope this information is of use to you and may I thank you for bringing this matter to my attention.

Regards

Ryan

Starting to think the key with transponder needs bringing back  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

Blocking the OBD port, does indeed not prevent access to the necessary systems. It may be a deterrent at present, but as I see it, the more OBD locks that start appearing, the more prepared thieves will be for "other methods"... Visiting from DISCO3.CO.UK
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"Please be assured that Land Rover are continuously taking pro-active steps in order to implement new and more robust security features and stay one step ahead of criminals."



Just like they did with the rear lights and spare wheel fiasco, well I suppose they did but if you have an old model they couldn't give a  2003 BMW M5 - 5 Litres of V8 Optimax Slurping Goodness in Carbon Black

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Do these scum thieves bother pinching the older RRS models like 2012 for example?
As there isn't a great price to be obtained I didn't think they would be bothered, a Supercharged/new and FFRR would be more at risk.  John

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Have you seen the price of spares

They'll nick anything worth selling  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

Guy on defender just had his Porsche nicked

http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic46471.html

Looks like I'm going to need one of these now when I'm at home

http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/cable_picker/...ntion.html

Might be simpler to just get GAP insurance but still load of hassle getting replacement and with the waiting times too  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

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I'm glad you posted this muddy as the other weekend myself and SWMBO were away camping in the New Forest and it got me thinking that my key was in the tent but the car would have been in range, and what could I buy to stop it emitting a signal, other than parking the car far away.

The point being they could have taken the car or just stolen valuables inside while we were asleep.

Thank you for the link to this  2003 BMW M5 - 5 Litres of V8 Optimax Slurping Goodness in Carbon Black

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Used to worry me too in the caravan with RRS at side but I thought range was only couple of feet - it now appears I was naive

Someone suggested tin foil might work so may try it as an experiment - wrapping key and seeing if door will open with it nr  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!