mse wrote:

Rubbish! the new defender will be far better than the outgoing defender

RRSTDV8 wrote:

mse wrote:

Rubbish! the new defender will be far better than the outgoing defender

Define "better".

Stick you sport in a muddy football field with new road tyres see what you look like then, up to you sills in crap and no way out, before the usual babble on about user error, I went through the right proceedure ( although if you need a training course and a manual then it's no bloody good anyway)

Either way it took a good old transit van to get it out.... .

Sure they have the capability, but right wheels and tyres.....

Think the new FF looks very nice. If you took some fog and put it in a jar, would it be missed.

Both my 20's standard have been fine in the fields...wet grass muddy...it's about the max I would personally take the sport in anyway, remember they are about 80/20 road bias but that doesn't hugely hamper them until they fall off the cliff just like the point at's fail and you need full muds.

The trick is to not spin the wheels, the moment you get into that you'll on a slope to nowhere and digging in Mike

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What size should be on the RRS for optimum driving on muddy football pitches? Serious question would it be 19's?

crookedm wrote:

What size should be on the RRS for optimum driving on muddy football pitches? Serious question would it be 19's?

crookedm wrote:

What size should be on the RRS for optimum driving on muddy football pitches? Serious question would it be 19's?

As mse said, 19inch wheels tend to be supplied with mud and snow tyres, whereas 20s are mainly road based patterns, saying that, I park a fair bit in fields when spectating at rallys and when the snow was bad 2 years ago, mine manages brilliantly on 20s, as long as you select the right setting and don't give it gas and spin the wheels u won't look like a t tt
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Cheers guys always wondered.

mse wrote:

RRSTDV8 wrote:

mse wrote:

Rubbish! the new defender will be far better than the outgoing defender

Define "better".

Every element will be evolved and improved as land rover always do...they won't make a car and go backwards hence better

Design, capability, equipment, etc

If it looks like the concept vehicle and has the same sort of electronics and clever systems / suspension as the D4/RRS/FFRR then it won't be better as a farm vehicle.

The Defender needs to be tough, reliable, easy/cheap to fix, have an interior that can take having sheep/sheep thrown at it etc. Having toys and a nice design and sparkly interior is not what the Defender needs.

If they just round the corners, stick a modern efficient engine in and improve things like door sealing etc. then that will be an improvement.

If they turn it into a £35k lifestyle choice then it'll sell well but won't be the Defender that traditional Defender/Series owners need. I hope they don't fall in to this trap but I fear they will. LR is losing touch with its roots. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
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RRSTDV8 wrote:

mse wrote:

RRSTDV8 wrote:

mse wrote:

Rubbish! the new defender will be far better than the outgoing defender

Define "better".

Every element will be evolved and improved as land rover always do...they won't make a car and go backwards hence better

Design, capability, equipment, etc

If it looks like the concept vehicle and has the same sort of electronics and clever systems / suspension as the D4/RRS/FFRR then it won't be better as a farm vehicle.

The Defender needs to be tough, reliable, easy/cheap to fix, have an interior that can take having sheep/sheep thrown at it etc. Having toys and a nice design and sparkly interior is not what the Defender needs.

If they just round the corners, stick a modern efficient engine in and improve things like door sealing etc. then that will be an improvement.

If they turn it into a £35k lifestyle choice then it'll sell well but won't be the Defender that traditional Defender/Series owners need. I hope they don't fall in to this trap but I fear they will. LR is losing touch with its roots.

Is it the angle of the photo or is there a huge rear overhang? Given the short front overhang it looks as if the body has been plonked on its wheels a bit too far back.

I do know that short overhangs are needed, ESP at the front, looks strange though at least to my eyes. Wonder if it will look better when it is not at 'access height'. Graham

09 TDV8 Zermat Silver

mse wrote:

RRSTDV8 wrote:

mse wrote:

RRSTDV8 wrote:

mse wrote:

Rubbish! the new defender will be far better than the outgoing defender

Define "better".

Every element will be evolved and improved as land rover always do...they won't make a car and go backwards hence better

Design, capability, equipment, etc

If it looks like the concept vehicle and has the same sort of electronics and clever systems / suspension as the D4/RRS/FFRR then it won't be better as a farm vehicle.

The Defender needs to be tough, reliable, easy/cheap to fix, have an interior that can take having sheep/sheep thrown at it etc. Having toys and a nice design and sparkly interior is not what the Defender needs.

If they just round the corners, stick a modern efficient engine in and improve things like door sealing etc. then that will be an improvement.

If they turn it into a £35k lifestyle choice then it'll sell well but won't be the Defender that traditional Defender/Series owners need. I hope they don't fall in to this trap but I fear they will. LR is losing touch with its roots.

Apart from the fact land rover have stated very clearly that the defender will have numerous washout interior models just as they are now.

Current defenders have electronics as for recent years...infact the other makes that farmers buy (because the are cheap) have more electronics and are often more expensive to repair if they break out of warrant...but equally have all the toys anyway...actually the numbers of farmers with mitsushitties or disco 3/4 is increasing...so I don't honk technology is the issue or a problem or a bad thing

I would agree most want it to be cheap...but that isn't wholesale the case now.

Where the others score and defender doesn't is the none farmer/and us market where toys are needed and the new concept meets that.

Incidentally...most tractors make our range rovers look like they are from the dark ages!!!! Serious technology on board and have for years, not just cleaver suspension, but self drive, navigation, measuring, control systems, infotainment you name it.

The world moves on!

i can see both your points, but the one thing a defender needs is to be worked on "in the field", landrovers are supposed to be modular and sorted by someone with a bit of mechanical knowlage, loads of electronics are no use when you are broken down in the middle of the khalahari! maybe the next generation will be able to download fixes from satalite
cheers
dave MY10 TDV6 SE (debadged ), Santorini Black, Flappy paddles, Privacy Glass, 20" Stormers, Mudflaps!

Gone: a comprehensive list of imprezas and a Merc ML AMG

firstinretail wrote:

Stick you sport in a muddy football field with new road tyres see what you look like then, up to you sills in crap and no way out, before the usual babble on about user error, I went through the right proceedure ( although if you need a training course and a manual then it's no bloody good anyway)

Either way it took a good old transit van to get it out.... .

Sure they have the capability, but right wheels and tyres.....

Think the new FF looks very nice.

wait a minute.. if memory serves.. didn't you forget to disengage DSC, and that was why you got stuck?

as for the need-to-learn-how-do-something making that something no bloody good.. well.. there we go.

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OT - rrsboy, so if faced with a situation of a wet field, I would select the appropriate mode'grass, gravel & snow' then disengage the DSC, correct ? ON THE WAY: BMW F21 M140i
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you might get away with the normal terrain setting, depending on how wet it was (the setting damps the throttle mainly)

DSC more harm than good in my humble-experience-of-getting-stuck (searches for the pic... )

edit: can't find the piccie I want, but here are some 20" conti's doing just fine on Salisbury plain

edit 2: I found the thread though.. not sure why piccies are dead

http://www.rrsport.co.uk/forum/topic13396.html

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