RRSTDV8 wrote:

codfather wrote:

rrsboy wrote:

I wonder what their thinking is?

Basically it allows them to drop 500kg to reduce emissions across the range

Whilst that's undoubtedly true (the weight loss bit anyway), it doesn't have any impact on the styling. The styling seems to me to be aimed at the Asian market which, of course, is where the money is these days. Oh, and LR's owners are there too.

LR is no longer a western brand and so will be tailored to eastern tastes. Of course, lots of wealthy Brits and septics will buy them merely for the name, but the imperious "I'm in charge, be gone from my sight" of the Rangies of old has been lost.

The Rangie is now a full-on 4x4 limo. I doubt many will see grass beneath their wheels, even less so real mud.

If LR bring out the Defender in the form recently previewed, then we can safely say that LR no longer makes off roaders, it makes overweight cars with 4WD.

And they will all sell in their tens of thousands...

I find that new FFRR looks extremely big, like Q7. Vadim A.

RRSTDV8 wrote:

They're not important, not even a little bit. In fact they're pretty pointless but lots of people consider them pretty and thus not pointless. All about form being more important than function. Which, in a functional vehicle, seems to miss the point.

In other words "it's all about the bling, innit"

Footballers, WAGs (especially the Beckham woman) and Chelsea Tractors come to mind...

So it's not just me then  

"Roads ? Where we're going there are no roads." Back to the future.

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rrsboy wrote:

If LR bring out the Defender in the form recently previewed, then we can safely say that LR no longer makes off roaders, it makes overweight cars with 4WD

but arguably our cars are viewed by many as Chelsea tractors that have no off-road ability (that is even the opinion of a lot of Defender/Disco owners) - except I know first hand that they fancy box of electronics means we can keep up with both when it comes to the muddy stuff!

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^^^ I've not taken mine (or likely ever to like you rrsboy ) 'off road' but I was informed by the guys on the LRE day that the RRS will easily out perform a Defender/Freelander and was their preferred choice over a Disco too.
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Beancounter_74 wrote:

^^^ I've not taken mine (or likely ever to like you rrsboy ) 'off road'

thats nothing to be ashamed about! in two years mine has been of road twice, but it is more the wet weather handling (and snow/ice) that has made me stay with 4 wheel drive cars/suvs for the last 20 years!!
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Beancounter_74 wrote:

^^^ I've not taken mine (or likely ever to like you rrsboy ) 'off road' but I was informed by the guys on the LRE day that the RRS will easily out perform a Defender/Freelander and was their preferred choice over a Disco too.
As you say, the box of magic tricks takes a lot of credit

That's what I was also told, however what they fail to point out is that the approach and departure angles and underbody clearance of the RRS aren't quite in the same league as that of the defender. Electronics can indeed help, however you can't defy the laws of physics when faced with a deep gulley to cross or a steep incline to climb.

The other thing I recall is that electronics can get in the way, when climbing a slippery hill, disabling DSC is recommended otherwise you could find yourself short of power half way up should the back end decide to go a little sideways. 

"Roads ? Where we're going there are no roads." Back to the future.

turn DSC off whenever you go off road, regardless of hills

it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.. there are specific times that the wheel base can help too. The "beardy weirdo" brigade maintain that a series 1 landy is better than a RRS off-road.. simply not true.. our clever terrain settings, e-diffs and air suspension mean in many circumstance we can take on and even beat the good old Defender (and certainly the pre-D3 discos).

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RRSTDV8 wrote:

codfather wrote:

rrsboy wrote:

I wonder what their thinking is?

Basically it allows them to drop 500kg to reduce emissions across the range

Whilst that's undoubtedly true (the weight loss bit anyway), it doesn't have any impact on the styling. The styling seems to me to be aimed at the Asian market which, of course, is where the money is these days. Oh, and LR's owners are there too.

LR is no longer a western brand and so will be tailored to eastern tastes. Of course, lots of wealthy Brits and septics will buy them merely for the name, but the imperious "I'm in charge, be gone from my sight" of the Rangies of old has been lost.

The Rangie is now a full-on 4x4 limo. I doubt many will see grass beneath their wheels, even less so real mud.

If LR bring out the Defender in the form recently previewed, then we can safely say that LR no longer makes off roaders, it makes overweight cars with 4WD.

And they will all sell in their tens of thousands...

Rubbish! the new defender will be far better than the outgoing defender and whilst there could also be a more simple version - its a brilliant improvement

As for the range rover - you would be surprised how many do see dirty/mud...but more just see the road  Mike

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My first impressions of the full fat is that it is moving away from the classic shape. I wouldn't change the Sport and the old full fat doesn't fit in the garage. The new one might. I do like some of the features though so perhaps these will filter down to the new RRS. Love the electrically deployable tow hitch and the electrically operated twin tailgate. It does look like you have to open the hatch to use the drop down lower part but that has to be better than the current one piece.

Just my two penneth.....

Just to take it off topic when is the new sport rumoured to be released?

x5pea wrote:

Mate of mine works for LR and snapped the new FFRR which come with factory 22's

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Just to say they are not 22s they are 21 inch wheels pricing a new one this morning and there is only one option for 22s. And they ain't them lol

Look http://www.landrover.com/gb/en/lr/all-new-...ore/vogue/

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Hse Spec with rear camera side steps
tinted windows

Audi A4 2008 Red with 19 inch wheels chrome mirrors tinted windows

Well this video made me fall in love with it again maybe it's time to evolve. Changed my opinion on it.

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chrisrrs59 wrote:

x5pea wrote:

Mate of mine works for LR and snapped the new FFRR which come with factory 22's

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Just to say they are not 22s they are 21 inch......

Does an inch make that much difference? :wink:

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Beancounter_74 wrote:

^^^ I've not taken mine (or likely ever to like you rrsboy ) 'off road' but I was informed by the guys on the LRE day that the RRS will easily out perform a Defender/Freelander and was their preferred choice over a Disco too.
As you say, the box of magic tricks takes a lot of credit