Beancounter_74 wrote:

When I was looking around to get mine, the decision was either a 6 month old TDV8 (there seemed to be loads on the market at that point , ex JLR cars maybe ) or a new SDV6.
I decided that although the TDV8 is a great engine, the interior, multimedia and new features of a MY12 car far outweighed the earlier model - a decision I don't regret one bit

I can hear rrsboy cringing as he reads this , but if you are reading rrsboy, you should get James to loan you a newer model to compare to your 'ooh la la' TDV8 and you can report back with an objective POV

I have the last version of the TDV8 in the new interior.. so I still have a gearstick and a split boot but I also get a sublime engine. James brought a V6 to the flat and we drove to the O2 in it.. what can I say.. if you've never driven a TDV8 then it's a great motor. If you have driven a TDV8, then you can't see for the tears  ============
2010 TDV8 HSE - ooo laa laaaaaaaaa
2007 TDV8 HSE - superb car and very reliable
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2012 - dearly departed, sadly missed.. to return in late 2013 with a new TDV8!

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Ady 555 wrote:

partially because i liked the infotainment system

sorry but nobody seems to mention the MY12 infotainment is SLOWER for touch responsiveness than the MY10, which in turn is faster than the MY09 (old interior) for sat nav, but much worse for bluetooth/phone...

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2010 TDV8 HSE - ooo laa laaaaaaaaa
2007 TDV8 HSE - superb car and very reliable
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2012 - dearly departed, sadly missed.. to return in late 2013 with a new TDV8!

hairsarah wrote:

Thankyou to every one for some great feed back , as my old rr is an 09 I should see some great improvements in the my13 sdv6 what sort of mpg can I expect, at the moment I'm getting 22/23 mpg from the tdv8,

you have an old interior TDV8, my totally biased opinion would be to get a new interior TDV8 and screw the mpg. If it's a big concern >do not buy a 4x4 of any variety<

the things that will make you smile are the significantly improved interior, adaptive dynamics and the flappy paddles to change gear (if you want)

the things you probably won't like are the new way the phonebook works and, if you buy the latest one, the lack of gearstick and split boot (depending on what you think of a gearstick/split boot)

just my 2c etc  ============
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2007 TDV8 HSE - superb car and very reliable
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2012 - dearly departed, sadly missed.. to return in late 2013 with a new TDV8!

Ive had a TDV8 and to bring manhood into it if you want v8, be a real man and get the 5.0SC - otherwise in every respect the TD or SD V6 is just as good (i would argue better) than the TDV8...

MPG wise, my 11 floated around the 28/29 - my 13 is still bedding in but seems to be holding at 30mpg

The new infotainment does make the old look very dated...i didnt notice the 11my being slow - but maybe thats because it did more than the 10... Mike

2014 Facelift Discovery

mse wrote:

Ive had a TDV8 and to bring manhood into it if you want v8, be a real man and get the 5.0SC - otherwise in every respect the TD or SD V6 is just as good (i would argue better) than the TDV8...

MPG wise, my 11 floated around the 28/29 - my 13 is still bedding in but seems to be holding at 30mpg

The new infotainment does make the old look very dated...i didnt notice the 11my being slow - but maybe thats because it did more than the 10...

I don't get the manhood reference but then it is nearly 11pm. The 5.0sc would be super, the 11mpg would not. For speed I'd just get a fast car? What the TDV8 offers is a rare blend of power (thrust, really) in a very large car.

In your argument as to why the TDV6 (2.7 or 3.0) is better than the TDV8, could you perhaps offer some meaningful observations? I just drove both, and decided.

The infotainment in the brand new MY12 (and MY11) IS slower than then MY10 - just use them side by side - there is no denying it and it's quite embarrassing on LR's part. I hope they fix that for the new model next year (as well as bring back the TDV8 in 4.4 form, and the gearstick/split tailgate). The responsiveness of the touch is like comparing capacitative touch response to old resistitive touch (not literally, of course).

I'm not sure what to make of your reply really. I needed to buy a new car. I had had a a MY08 TDV8 for a few years. I drove the new TDV6. It was not as good. I have continued to drive the new V6s and still am not convinced to trade again. MY10 TDV8 until March 2014 just in time to swap into a 6 month old MY14 new shape.

Not sure what else to say really.  ============
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2007 TDV8 HSE - superb car and very reliable
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2012 - dearly departed, sadly missed.. to return in late 2013 with a new TDV8!

ah yes, I did forget one thing - the sound!  ============
2010 TDV8 HSE - ooo laa laaaaaaaaa
2007 TDV8 HSE - superb car and very reliable
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2012 - dearly departed, sadly missed.. to return in late 2013 with a new TDV8!

Ok some more detail;

I have a 2013 MY Sport and had a 2011 MY sport and side by the 10 and 11 (ive not had and wont have the chance between the 13 and others) the infotainment system is certainly just as quick if not faster on the 13. Its more intuitive, easier to use, better laid out, feeds the info to the driver display, does more, is more integrated to other devices, learns more (satnav learns the routes you like to take as an example), sat nav is more flexible and appropriate in its routings...it even can device routes for people who arent confident drivers. So speed and usability its definitely streets ahead of the 2010 (which TV was an extra i seem to recall!) its like windows 2000 and windows 7 with windows XP in the middle (no Microsoft comments just a comparison)

As for the TDV8 v the TDV6 or SDV6 (not 2.7 i get that, im talking 3.0):
- Noise, ive never got this, the TDV8 makes no special noise (not like a real v8 ), its not even got a supercharger and the T/SDV6 noise is just fine
- MPG is much more improved, if you cant afford/dont want to run 18 - 20mpg on the 5SC then why would you not want 29-34mpg! TDV8 looses there
- TDV8 in most operations is easily held on to by the T/SDV6 - the SDV6 being even better in competing with the TDV8 in operations your certainly going to see in the UK - speed limits 70 and acceleration etc, if you want to play on the track (which ive done...again not in mine im not stupid) the TDV6 can compete with the TDv8 in terms of acceleration and speed
- Environmentally the T/SDv6 is better

Obviously the newer TDv8 in the Full Fat whilst still a little behind in economy etc is better than the 2010 version - but even thats a reason why would you want the 2010 TDV8 over the FFRR 4.4TDV8 or the RRS SDv6

In short the TDV8 has no really selling point to set it apart significantly or otherwise from the v6 accept its a diesel v8 (not even a real v. I applaud an understand people who own one wanting to keep the cudos of them and thus an extra wedge of £'s on value - i dont disagree with the sentiment...however all this reminds me of the type of conversations in defender and land rover land when the 200tdi was replaced by the 300 and more importantly the 300 replaced by the TD5 and later the TDV6.

It might be a shock, but Land Rover dont actually go backwards in their engine choice. Mike

2014 Facelift Discovery

mse wrote:

it might be a shock, but Land Rover dont actually go backwards in their engine choice.

I think you're trying to imply LR only make correct and good decisions? (I'll ignore suggestions you are a little closer to LR than most!)

The TDV8 was dropped because of EU emissions rules, and for a long while the 3.0 TDV6 was the only choice. The 2.7 before was widely accepted as an engine that should never have been put in the car. The SDV6 is certainly an improvement on both.

Infotainment, what can I say? I guess James' demo car has a cold. It is sluggish, it's the only way to describe it.

And sound? It is a real V8 - it has 8 cylinders in a V configuration. Do you mean the diesel element? Sorry, Clarkson  ============
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2007 TDV8 HSE - superb car and very reliable
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2012 - dearly departed, sadly missed.. to return in late 2013 with a new TDV8!

Land Rover do make good decisions - if they didnt they would be out of business, not increasing their sales - there are, have always been and will always continue to be - i want to say luddites - but i will say people that with all changes dont think they are the way to go - all have been proved wrong:
90/110 to Defender to current defender to DC100
Range Rover to Discovery
Discovery Progressions
Freelander
Evoke

Whether it be engine derivatives, springs, wheels, style, new model lines etc - some groups always hold on to the past, im not saying that they were bad - just the new lines are better AND that they are all improvements

The TDV8 is no exception, its not strictly true that TDV8 went only because of EU emissions, although that has something to do with it. Even if this was the case, then thats moving with the times

This may not be a surprise to you - but it might be - the planning that goes into upgrades is years in the making a new addition is multiple years in the making engine derivatives can be 7-10yrs - EU rules dont just pop up and act as a surprise.

Im not even going to entertain the idea on infotainment - The new infotainment system is far superior to ALL that went before - speed is spot on, i click (or speak - yes that works too!) and it just does it and does it when i do it, no lag...what more speed do you need, to do it before ive told it...oh thats a fault, maybe yours is faulty

And as for the v8 a real v8 is a petrol v8 a Diesel just isnt the same and neither is a v8 without a supercharger...thats real noise...thats real performance.

I could say buying a diesel v8 is like buying a copy rolex watch - everyone knows its not the real thing, etc etc

I probably am closer to LR than most - is that a bad thing and to be Clarkson - thats not a bad thing either.

Still doesnt change the fact the TDV8 is gone - it will only get older, more dated and more expensive to repair.

The v6's do all the same job and will keep moving forward until they are replaced by something better.

Progress...  Mike

2014 Facelift Discovery

they make some CRACKING decisions (like signing off the Sport even though everyone said it would destroy the brand) but what I said was "I think you're trying to imply LR only make correct and good decisions?" which is different..

and you're right (with your inside knowledge .. the 'public' reason they gave furious TDV8 owners wanting another TDV8 was that the 4.4 wouldn't fit into the Sport! ) and yes, EU rules are tabled at least 5 years in advance.

sorry but "buying a diesel v8.. everyone knows its not the real thing, etc etc" is as stupid as saying a Boxster isn't a real Porsche, or, closer to home, a Sport isn't a real Range Rover. What about the diesel Audi R8? Is that not a real sports car? ridiculous and usually the sort of guff non-motorheads driving Ford Focuses mutter to themselves...

"The v6's do all the same job and will keep moving forward until they are replaced by something better. " hahahah I wonder what the MY14 will bring!

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2010 TDV8 HSE - ooo laa laaaaaaaaa
2007 TDV8 HSE - superb car and very reliable
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2012 - dearly departed, sadly missed.. to return in late 2013 with a new TDV8!

So there you have it You learn something new every day.

rrsboy wrote:

ah yes, I did forget one thing - the sound!

power and torque (admittedly in smaller and smaller amounts as they release more and more versions of the V6..)  ============
2010 TDV8 HSE - ooo laa laaaaaaaaa
2007 TDV8 HSE - superb car and very reliable
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2012 - dearly departed, sadly missed.. to return in late 2013 with a new TDV8!

@ rrsboy, so do you think you will ever be persuaded to buy a 3.0 V6 sport when yours has had its day? I'm guessing you are hoping for L/R to bring out another V8 in 2014 But if they don't, then which route will you go down? Just curious.

great question and it's a real problem! Plan currently is to hold the MY10 TDV8 (add a year's warranty in March 2013) and then see what happens with the new launch.

don't get me wrong - the V6s are getting closer and closer (but I'm sorry, the 2.7 was pretty bad and the 3.0 TD still had shortcomings.. the 3.0 SD is much improved)

if the SDV6 is all that's in the new model then it will be a tough choice between:

1. upgrading to the SC (ouch )
2. changing to the SDV6
3. going full fat (4.4 TDV8)

I am hopeful of the 4.4 TDV8 being shared

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2010 TDV8 HSE - ooo laa laaaaaaaaa
2007 TDV8 HSE - superb car and very reliable
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2012 - dearly departed, sadly missed.. to return in late 2013 with a new TDV8!