Actualy i said in the Con and Use Regs

Quote:

there is not any specified relationship in UK law between the weight of the towing vehicle and the weight of the trailer.

4wheeldrive

Spiffing job old boy, therefore on my pre 97 license (B + E category) I can use the RRS or Defender to tow upto 3.5 tonnes of trailer including load for personal use.

Con and Use Regs allow
My license allows
Vehice manufacturer allows  MY10 TDV6 HSE, Alaska White, Ebony with Contrast, Park Heat, Paddle Shift, Privacy, Heated Steering Wheel, Extended & Premium Leather,

MY07 TDV6 HSE, Zermatt Silver, Gone

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1964 Austin Healey 3000

2007 LR Defender

2011 VW Tiguan R Line

I told you!! Im having a lie down in a dark room after all that. Leave a message and I'll get back to you..........................

Never want to hear the words Construction and Use, Tacographs or any other towing related words for a good while.

Might be worth stickying the relevant parts of this thread in the technical section for future reference though???

Save going through this HELL again at some point!!!  Current, M135i in Estoril Blue with more extras than the cast of Ben Hur.

535d m-sport Platinum grey and a few extras.... Gone

X5 3.0 sd in Space Grey, 20's, Dynamic Pack, Memory Pack, Media Pack, Tow Pack, Rear DVD, Panoramic Sunroof, Steps, 7 Seat Pack, Reversing Camera with moving lines, programmable park heat, etc etc etc - Gone

Range Rover Sport Santorini, privacy, dvd, towpack GONE!!!

That's brilliant - thanks for your efforts.

Is there any way that post could be separated out and made into a sticky "Licences for towing" or suchlike ?

And then how about another sticky "Requirements for operator licences and tachographs" ?

And I guess another on the animal transport regs. Maybe one day.

Landlord wrote:

Actualy i said in the Con and Use Regs

Quote:

there is not any specified relationship in UK law between the weight of the towing vehicle and the weight of the trailer.

4wheeldrive

Spiffing job old boy, therefore on my pre 97 license (B + E category) I can use the RRS or Defnder to tow upto 3.5 tonnes of trailer including load for personal use.

Con and Use Regs allow
My license allows
Vehice manufacturer allows

Just for you Landlord.......

Construction and use
This article relates to driver licensing matters only. For details on the construction and use requirements regarding weights and dimensions for trailers please contact:

Transport, Technology and Standards, Department for Transport, Zone 2/01, Great Minster House, 76 Marsham Street, London, SW1P 4DR

Email: tts.enquiries@dft.gsi.gov.uk

 Current, M135i in Estoril Blue with more extras than the cast of Ben Hur.

535d m-sport Platinum grey and a few extras.... Gone

X5 3.0 sd in Space Grey, 20's, Dynamic Pack, Memory Pack, Media Pack, Tow Pack, Rear DVD, Panoramic Sunroof, Steps, 7 Seat Pack, Reversing Camera with moving lines, programmable park heat, etc etc etc - Gone

Range Rover Sport Santorini, privacy, dvd, towpack GONE!!!

gothatway wrote:

That's brilliant - thanks for your efforts.

Is there any way that post could be separated out and made into a sticky "Licences for towing" or suchlike ?

And then how about another sticky "Requirements for operator licences and tachographs" ?

And I guess another on the animal transport regs. Maybe one day.

Advice rather than regs for animal transport........................................

DONT CARRY PIGS!! WEAK HEARTS AND DROP DEAD REGULARLY DURING TRANSPORT!!!

 Current, M135i in Estoril Blue with more extras than the cast of Ben Hur.

535d m-sport Platinum grey and a few extras.... Gone

X5 3.0 sd in Space Grey, 20's, Dynamic Pack, Memory Pack, Media Pack, Tow Pack, Rear DVD, Panoramic Sunroof, Steps, 7 Seat Pack, Reversing Camera with moving lines, programmable park heat, etc etc etc - Gone

Range Rover Sport Santorini, privacy, dvd, towpack GONE!!!

Thought this part might be relevant for the younger, (not you LL ) drivers that are coming through or driving the parents RRSs. Covers the post 1997 test takers and how they go about upgrading to the licence.

Car driving licence first obtained since 1 January 1997

Drivers who passed a car test on or after 1 January 1997 are required to pass an additional driving test in order to gain entitlement to category B+E and all larger vehicles. In addition to the new driving tests, drivers of vehicles which fall within subcategories C1, C1+E, D1 and D1+E also have to meet higher medical standards.

Upgrading entitlement for trailers

In general, an additional driving test is required for each category or subcategory of entitlement. But there are certain exceptions to this where drivers have already passed one test which involves trailer entitlement for a larger or equivalent sized vehicle.

This means that passing a test for subcategory C1+E or D1+E upgrades category B entitlement to B+E. A test pass for subcategory C1+E upgrades subcategory D1, if held, to D1+E. But a test pass for subcategory D1+E does not upgrade subcategory C1 to C1+E because the trailer size required for a subcategory D1+E test is smaller than that required for a subcategory C1+E test.

Passing a test for category C+E upgrades category B entitlement to B+E and also confers entitlement to subcategory C1 and C1+E and, if category D or subcategory D1 is held, these are upgraded to category D+E or subcategory D1+E. A test passed for category D+E upgrades category B and subcategory D1 to category B+E and subcategory D1+E respectively. But it does not upgrade category C or subcategory C1 entitlements because the trailer size required for a category D+E test is smaller than that required for a category C+E or subcategory C1+E test. Current, M135i in Estoril Blue with more extras than the cast of Ben Hur.

535d m-sport Platinum grey and a few extras.... Gone

X5 3.0 sd in Space Grey, 20's, Dynamic Pack, Memory Pack, Media Pack, Tow Pack, Rear DVD, Panoramic Sunroof, Steps, 7 Seat Pack, Reversing Camera with moving lines, programmable park heat, etc etc etc - Gone

Range Rover Sport Santorini, privacy, dvd, towpack GONE!!!

Just to clarify the earlier post about the towbar electrics.........I fitted mine and have not visited the dealers to mess with the ECU.......it works fine, I have a light that flashes to tell me the indicators are working fine but have to be honest and say I have no idea about the fog lights....to be fair I want them left on since I only tow a small trailer or motorbike trailer and am happy to have my cars fog lights turned on with the trailer fitted.

Daz 2017 4.4 Autobiography FFRR - love this car
Gone - VW T5 Transporter
Long gone - 2009 Disco
Long gone but never out of my thoughts - 2008 TDV8 HST

dazsear

Thanks for getting the thread back on track prepare yourself for a barage of comments on legislaton on towing with rear fog lights on main vehicle not being 22.5 cm from the centre line of the towed contraption during daylight hours on a bridlepath.....

Just read thread from start

Who bought up licenses in the first place ............................ who hi-jacked the thread ....................ramblings about license categories, dates issued, unladen weights, blah, blah, blah

4wheeldriver you can bring the Macallan's, nice bottle of old distilled 1946 should make up for it  MY10 TDV6 HSE, Alaska White, Ebony with Contrast, Park Heat, Paddle Shift, Privacy, Heated Steering Wheel, Extended & Premium Leather,

MY07 TDV6 HSE, Zermatt Silver, Gone

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1964 Austin Healey 3000

2007 LR Defender

2011 VW Tiguan R Line

Daz  2017 4.4 Autobiography FFRR - love this car
Gone - VW T5 Transporter
Long gone - 2009 Disco
Long gone but never out of my thoughts - 2008 TDV8 HST

Landlord wrote:

4wheeldriver you can bring the Macallan's, nice bottle of old distilled 1946 should make up for it

Nah just ask him to pop along to Brew Dog and get some of thier Tactical Nuclear Penguin Beer to take down
We had a bottle of it last week and very good too
http://www.brewdog.com/tactical_nuclear_penguin.php Sons of dogs come hither and get flesh
Clan Cameron

I'm not sure Al but the Penguin has either been or is going to be banned as its to strong! (For the soft southern shandy drinkers). Sure there was even a question in Parliament over it!

Bit of a flap over a pint but hey ho!

Yoy should have kept that bottle! May be worth a few quid in years to come!

LL! MacAllan! Heathen! 60 or 80 year old Tullibardine is the real stuff! Current, M135i in Estoril Blue with more extras than the cast of Ben Hur.

535d m-sport Platinum grey and a few extras.... Gone

X5 3.0 sd in Space Grey, 20's, Dynamic Pack, Memory Pack, Media Pack, Tow Pack, Rear DVD, Panoramic Sunroof, Steps, 7 Seat Pack, Reversing Camera with moving lines, programmable park heat, etc etc etc - Gone

Range Rover Sport Santorini, privacy, dvd, towpack GONE!!!

At the price of getting it here maybe I should of kept it but glad I didn't, may even take a detour on the way home to pick up another bottle. The wife absolutly loved it, it has a smokey peaty malt flavour but not much gass, very reminiscent of whisky, being a stout it is dark and fullbodied.
It was good for something diffrent for New Year but the delivery price was even more than the cost of the bottle so won't begetting many bottles sent over! Sons of dogs come hither and get flesh
Clan Cameron

4wheeldriver wrote:

LL! MacAllan! Heathen! 60 or 80 year old Tullibardine is the real stuff!

Completely off thread now, but looks like i've got to teach you about whiskey as well,

Tullibardine whiskey wasn't round 80 years ago,

http://www.maltmadness.com/whisky/tullibardine.html

Running for cover waiting for a barrage of abuse from the Scottish contingent.....  MY10 TDV6 HSE, Alaska White, Ebony with Contrast, Park Heat, Paddle Shift, Privacy, Heated Steering Wheel, Extended & Premium Leather,

MY07 TDV6 HSE, Zermatt Silver, Gone

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1964 Austin Healey 3000

2007 LR Defender

2011 VW Tiguan R Line

One last one for the road... as per info in this post:

"Car licences held before 1 January 1997
All drivers who passed a car test before 1 January 1997 retain their existing entitlement to tow trailers until their licence expires. This means they are generally entitled to drive a vehicle and trailer combination up to 8.25 tonnes MAM. They also have entitlement to drive a minibus with a trailer over 750kgs MAM. "

So with a car license passed before 1997, I can tow a car trailer with a Mini on it with my RRS without any problem?

Sorry to be a bite heavy but I am french ( ) and want to make sure I get it right! Range Rover Vogue ‘17 TDV6

Gone: Range Rover Vogue '11 4.4TDV8, Range Rover Sport ‘59, Range Rover Sport ‘56

As long as your license has B+E category and

The total weight of trailer plus load is under 3500kgs

Not used commercialy

Yes you can tow your trailer MY10 TDV6 HSE, Alaska White, Ebony with Contrast, Park Heat, Paddle Shift, Privacy, Heated Steering Wheel, Extended & Premium Leather,

MY07 TDV6 HSE, Zermatt Silver, Gone

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1964 Austin Healey 3000

2007 LR Defender

2011 VW Tiguan R Line

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