I agree with the others regarding "laws of physics". It was brought painfully home to me last Jan when I smashed my RRS into a drystone wall after hitting black Ice on a very tight bend. I was only doing 5 or 6 MPH at the time but once 3 tonnes of RRS loses traction and goes sideways you are simply a passanger and "momentum" is the driver Lots of people think 4x4's are some sort of panacea when it comes to poor weather conditions - It's simply not true - I see it every day up here in the Frozen North - guy doing 60mph on a totally white road in his Rangie or Landcruiser etc. Problem is he will get NO warning when he loses traction and, as happened to me at a very low speed, once you've lost it with a big heavy brute of a 4x4 it's usually too late to recover!! 2013 Discovery HSE Luxury - 3.0 SDV6 - Santorini Black
2013 Evoque 5 Door Pure Tech SD4 - Orkney Grey with Panoramic Roof (Mrs E's new baby)

GONE - RRS - 3.0 TDV6 HSE - Santorini (2010)
GONE - RRS - 2.7 TDV6 HSE - Java Black (2007)
GONE - Porsche Boxster S - 3.2 - Black

Seen it happen infront of me with a Toyota hilux pickup truck. I was creeping north towards Wick, my house is just out side the town limits at the end of a long straight (over 1 mile long). There had just been a blizzard and we had attempted to get home between snow showers on new years day, we were almost home and the weather had cleared, it was that clarity you get after a snow shower with deep blue skies and seems like you can see a million miles when we spot a blue pickup truck going really fast out of the tow, once it got on the straight he accelerated and next he was going sideways and then rolling into the field infront of the house. He rolled a good 50m into the field and ended up upside down. It still took us a bit of time to get there as the road was so bad but we stopped and rendered assistance getting the driver and passenger out. His first words to me were "I thought that this was a 4x4 and I could go faster" Yeah mate but 50mph was way too fast even for a 4x4, I was struggling in maintaining 10mph in my mk3 Escort. Got them to my house and got some tea into them while they waited for the father-inlaw to come and pick them up. They were up from London visiting the woman's folks and had borrowed the farm 4x4 pickup truck to get in town. It was a lesson learned both by them and me Sons of dogs come hither and get flesh
Clan Cameron

Went to sort my horse this morn..........loads of plonkers in 4x4s going too fast thinking they are invincible.

Slow and steady is the way. TDV6 - gone
TDV8 - gone
Audi Q5 3.0 Tdi Sline wef 6/11/10

I've got to say I found the Sport excellent in the bad weather today - with normal 20" low profile wheels on.

I kept it in GGS with the traction control/dsc off & used the steering wheel paddleshift to select the gears.

For sure if I just braked on the snow I skidded - but by reading the road & down-changing manually it was no issue at all. Only problem I had was an out of control bus skidded & nearly hit my parked car in town today!

I've actually got the urge to take the car out tonight when there are no other cars on the road skidding around to have a bit of fun!!!! '10 Jaguar XKR Coupe 5.0L Supercharged.
Kyanite Blue/Ivory + Piano Black Trim.

had a play in the snow tonight...
http://picasaweb.google.com/hoquelubin/FunInTheSnow#