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Pistnbroke



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United Kingdom 2009 Range Rover Sport TDV6 HSE Galway Green
No Crank ..possible reasons?

Parked and then realized carpark markings had changed so went to re start ...all the lights OK no crank and no click or dimming,
Tried again and started up fine ..started OK a couple of times since ..
Any causes suggested would be helpful as its not a simple key to relay to starter circuit but seem to go via immobilize relay ...??? RRS 09 2.7 Always listen to old people or when they die you will live on in ignorance.
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United Kingdom 2010 Range Rover Sport Supercharged HSE Santorini Black

My D3 did this shortly after its rebuild, 3 ½ years ago

Parked up for fuel, paid, went to drive away, wouldn't start
Left it for a few minutes, still nothing. Called recovery, said they'd be an hour
Tried again, started fine like there was nothing wrong
Started fine every single time since Rolling Eyes

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Eaters



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United Kingdom 2008 Range Rover Sport TDV8 HSE Zermatt Silver

Don't you just love these cars? Rolling with laughter Robin
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MGZTT 190 2.5

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RRSTDV8



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Orkney Grey

Land Rover electrical fairies. They just love a game of random symptoms now and then. Big Cry 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

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Pistnbroke



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United Kingdom 2009 Range Rover Sport TDV6 HSE Galway Green

Having a lot of experience with classic Jaguar my first call was the battery ...after a nights rest it was 11.7v which is not good . So tested with my electronic tester and then ordered a new one Internal resistance and CCA were down,
We will see , Always listen to old people or when they die you will live on in ignorance.
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RRSTDV8



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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Orkney Grey

Might be worth checking the alternator functionality once you have a new battery in. Perhaps the alternator is tired or is the battery issue just down to age and short journeys taking their combined toll? 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

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Pistnbroke



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United Kingdom 2009 Range Rover Sport TDV6 HSE Galway Green

When you say the alternator goes weak you mean the voltage regulator voltage drops. this was a problem with the Lucas ACR 15 alternators but my vehicle has two batteries and the aux one was at 12.7v

I have not owned the vehicle long so I dont know if it stood while waiting for sale etc Sulphating the battery. Electronic tester showed CCA down and resistance up ( 4.6 micro ohms)

Best to have a new one so you have a starting point.

The short run concept is an old wifes tale as the battery re charges from starting loads within a couple of minutes provided it has not been substantially run down or is faulty. Always listen to old people or when they die you will live on in ignorance.
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Learned to 4x4 on 100 mile beach and Frazer Island QLD
Dont spend money on old cars you will never get it back

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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Orkney Grey

It's not just starting loads, it's lots of electrical loads on these vehicles. Certainly, doing short journeys causes battery drain over time - plenty of posts/threads over the years supporting this with anecdotal evidence.

Remember, just unlocking the door wakes up various ECUs which all then start to apply a drain. ECUs don't shut down as soon as the engine stops either - they talk to each other for a while. Again, applying a drain on the battery. In the winter, the FBH will activate when the car is started, but it continues to run a pump/fan after engine shut down (can be clearly heard doing so) which is another drain.

These all add up, especially in winter where heated windscreen, lights, heated seats might all be selected immediately after starting the engine. That's all coming from the same alternator that's trying to also recharge the battery. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

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Pistnbroke



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United Kingdom 2009 Range Rover Sport TDV6 HSE Galway Green

Sad to see you re iterating these myths about alternators.
When engine runs alternator supplies all loads and the battery does nothing but get re charged. Always listen to old people or when they die you will live on in ignorance.
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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Orkney Grey

Read what I said. The alternator has to deal with heavy loads and recharge the battery. But also, the car discharges the battery in several ways when the engine isn't running. No engine, no alternator. No alternator, battery being drained. Do that enough and you end up with a low battery. Low battery throws up errors on these vehicles. 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

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Pistnbroke



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United Kingdom 2009 Range Rover Sport TDV6 HSE Galway Green

So you are saying if you leave it for 4 or 4 days you need a battery maintainer connected. Always listen to old people or when they die you will live on in ignorance.
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Learned to 4x4 on 100 mile beach and Frazer Island QLD
Dont spend money on old cars you will never get it back

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United Kingdom 2012 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Orkney Grey

If it's used for short journeys all the time, or if left for a long period, there is a risk of battery drain. LR even put this in the owner's manual, saying to frequently check the battery charge along with info about charging the battery. If I was using one just for short journeys I'd be attaching a smart charger at the weekend now and then just to make sure the battery is kept topped up/in good condition, especially in the winter (remembering about charging frozen batteries, of course!).

If you have tow electrics, you can check the battery voltage via the permanent live. I do this with mine now and then even though it gets used for decent trips of an hour or more most of the time. Even with that usage, now and then I've found it to be less than fully charged if I've had a period of short trips only.

The vehicle has an entire control system in place monitoring electrical load/generation and it will actively turn some stuff down or even off if the load gets too high/battery voltage drops. The various ECUs take time to shut down each time so after engine shut off there is still current draw on the battery.

The FBH will continue too run the air and coolant pump for 2-3 minutes to cool itself down depending on how hard it has been run (if it's a short journey and the FBH has been running flat out to help heat up the car, it will run for 3 minutes after engine shut off). Do that a few times in a day, for example, with the engine never getting decently up to temperature (and so the FBH is running hard a lot) and you're hitting the battery quite well. No idea what it draws but it's protected by a 20A fuse so presumably it pulls a reasonable amount when running.

The suspension control ECU wakes up periodically and checks the ride heights and levels the car downwards if necessary - again, a battery drain.

These vehicles are electric-oholics, frankly. Laughing 2012 SDV6 - it's missing a couple of cylinders
2008 TDV8 - it was a labour of love and is much missed

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