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DangerMouseUK

Member Since: 16 Jul 2016
Location: London
Posts: 528

2013 Range Rover Sport Supercharged Santorini Black

MY18/MY19/MY20 Security

Hi Guys,

Have JLR fixed the key cloning/jamming/repeating issues since MY18?

Came back to my car today with the wing mirrors open and a cable and some sunglasses missing from my car.

I'm 99% sure I locked it though, so was wondering if anyone knew how susceptible the facelift cars are to the cloning or jamming or repeating that happened a lot pre-MY18.

Thanks in advance! Non JLR Vehicle

Fri Mar 13 2020 8:20pm

jimbg

Member Since: 29 Jan 2013
Location: By the River Dart
Posts: 1853

2013 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Orkney Grey

The article about the new system is dated August 2019 and does not mention the Sport.

https://teamtalk.jaguarlandrover.com/news/...ry-attacks

I am guessing it maybe came in on MY20? 2023 P440e SE Dynamic on order -cancelled

2022 HSE Dynamic P400e

2017 Discovery 3.0 HSE Silicon Silver Nimbus interior and a few extra toys SOLD

2013 HSE Black, Orkney Grey, Ebony Seats and Ivory Interior SOLD

2006 HSE

Plus a few other cars inbetween!

Fri Mar 13 2020 9:43pm

Dobby

Member Since: 02 Jan 2018
Location: East Seaxe
Posts: 102

https://www.landrover.co.uk/keylessentry/index.html

This was supposed to have fixed it. The page had been on their website for a few years now. MY15.5 HSE
MY13 110
MY87 90 (ex-mod) (for sale)

Fri Mar 13 2020 9:45pm

DangerMouseUK

Member Since: 16 Jul 2016
Location: London
Posts: 528

jimbg wrote:
The article about the new system is dated August 2019 and does not mention the Sport.

https://teamtalk.jaguarlandrover.com/news/...ry-attacks

I am guessing it maybe came in on MY20?

Strange as I assumed they did something when they changed the key for MY18 onwards but maybe not! Non JLR Vehicle

Sat Mar 14 2020 12:29am

DangerMouseUK

Member Since: 16 Jul 2016
Location: London
Posts: 528

Dobby wrote:
https://www.landrover.co.uk/keylessentry/index.html

This was supposed to have fixed it. The page had been on their website for a few years now.

Hey Dobby, thanks for that, very vague true to form for JLR.

I will get in touch with someone at a dealership and see if I can get some facts as I doubt anything specific will come from JLR's Contact Centre!

If anyone else knows anymore please chime in!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&...EAceZ6cY88

That ADAC report seems to say from 2018 onwards the keys started to use UWB for the Range Rover and Discovery (RRS wasn't listed), so maybe thats something?

There's also a slightly more up to date PDF in German here;

https://assets.adac.de/image/upload/v15795...jtusem.pdf

These two articles seem to indicate from 2018 onwards its not possible to relay or clone a key but I'm not sure as my German isn't so hot and Google Translate is never spot on;

https://www.adac.de/der-adac/motorwelt/rep...landrover/

https://www.adac.de/rund-ums-fahrzeug/auss...e/keyless/ Non JLR Vehicle

Sat Mar 14 2020 12:30am

jimbg

Member Since: 29 Jan 2013
Location: By the River Dart
Posts: 1853

It does seem strange that the Sport is not mentioned.

I guess you will need to chase up JLR and best of luck navigating any bu11shit!! 2023 P440e SE Dynamic on order -cancelled

2022 HSE Dynamic P400e

2017 Discovery 3.0 HSE Silicon Silver Nimbus interior and a few extra toys SOLD

2013 HSE Black, Orkney Grey, Ebony Seats and Ivory Interior SOLD

2006 HSE

Plus a few other cars inbetween!

Sat Mar 14 2020 8:39am

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 30 May 2005
Location: Driving along in my automobile
Posts: 17476

2013 Range Rover Sport SDV6 HSE Stornoway Grey

You might have lost a cable and sunglasses but empty out everywhere on the car to check that they haven’t fitted a miniature tracking device in the cabin which would lead them to your car/ house . Suggest you look at https://xyfindit.com/ For the devices I mean 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - soon to be replaced
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

Sat Mar 14 2020 12:15pm

HaggisMan

Member Since: 24 Apr 2018
Location: Glasgow
Posts: 139

I have a 2019MY RRS and contacted JLR about a year ago to ask if it was fitted with the system that overcame relay theft.

They told me that the RRS is fitted with UWB (ultra wide band) technology from MY2018 onwards, which means it’s the same as the various other JLR models that are apparently theft proof (or theft a bit more resistant anyway)

Sat Mar 14 2020 3:55pm

DangerMouseUK

Member Since: 16 Jul 2016
Location: London
Posts: 528

Tim in Scotland wrote:
You might have lost a cable and sunglasses but empty out everywhere on the car to check that they haven’t fitted a miniature tracking device in the cabin which would lead them to your car/ house . Suggest you look at https://xyfindit.com/ For the devices I mean

Hi Tim

I have given the car a good clean inside and outside since the event, didn't think much of it as they'd only taken those two items and missed an iPad sat on the rear seats (case matched the seat colour). It was on a main road in the park so I'm guessing they just went in and out.

I didn't notice anything in the cabin or boot and I do clean most of it thoroughly - any other places they might put it?

Is this a common thing they do? Non JLR Vehicle

Sun Mar 15 2020 9:46am

DangerMouseUK

Member Since: 16 Jul 2016
Location: London
Posts: 528

HaggisMan wrote:
I have a 2019MY RRS and contacted JLR about a year ago to ask if it was fitted with the system that overcame relay theft.

They told me that the RRS is fitted with UWB (ultra wide band) technology from MY2018 onwards, which means it’s the same as the various other JLR models that are apparently theft proof (or theft a bit more resistant anyway)

Thanks for that HaggisMan might have been me thinking I pressed the button then and didn't and they just saw the wing mirrors open and thought lets have a rummage!! Non JLR Vehicle

Sun Mar 15 2020 9:47am

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 30 May 2005
Location: Driving along in my automobile
Posts: 17476

DM, I don’t know if it is common but when I mentioned these transponders over on Defender2 one guy came back with that was how his Defender had been stolen as the car park CCTV showed the thieves drive straight up to his car then drive off in it. As they are magnetic they can be stuck anywhere inside or outside the car that is steel or steel alloy . I suppose one way to look for one would be to go close to the car with your Bluetooth settings page open and see if you find a new device that you don’t recognise on the list of items found. When my Countryman was delivered there was a similar device supplied with it that looks like a key ring that you also get with your Mini that is a key/baggage tracker - As an experiment I left it inside my Defender and went 18 miles away into town and was Still able to see my Defender on the Mini Connected app............ 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - soon to be replaced
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

Sun Mar 15 2020 10:00am

DangerMouseUK

Member Since: 16 Jul 2016
Location: London
Posts: 528

Will double check then!!

But with it being an MY19 car, my understanding is they can't actually steal it or open it, was probably just me not checking I'd locked it correctly?

Or have they got ways to get around the newer keys/systems now? Non JLR Vehicle

Sun Mar 15 2020 10:03am

Tim in Scotland

Member Since: 30 May 2005
Location: Driving along in my automobile
Posts: 17476

I would assume that short of employing a security guard to watch over it 24/7/365 there will soon be a way to get around any manufacturers security system. 2020 Pangea Green 1st Edition D240 New Defender 110 is here and loving it
2018 Melting Silver Mini Countryman PHEV - soon to be replaced
2015MY Corris Grey SDv6 HSE Dynamic, the best car I have ever owned, totally reliable only a cou0le of rattles in 3 years, now no longer in my care
Also in my garage is a 1996 TDi300 Defender 90 County HT made into a fake CSW

Sun Mar 15 2020 4:50pm

DangerMouseUK

Member Since: 16 Jul 2016
Location: London
Posts: 528

Parked up in the park and did a scan on my phone from inside the car, no bluetooth devices came up on my screen at all - so I'm guessing there's no tag left there.

Didn't even know that was a thing!! Non JLR Vehicle

Sun Mar 15 2020 9:19pm

Farmer Chalk

Member Since: 02 May 2015
Location: London
Posts: 541

Highly unlikely in reality...
The only thing you may have been susceptible to was the use of a blocker...by placing something within a hundred yards or so which effectively amplifies a loud signal which effectively drowns out the signal from your key whilst you were trying to lock it...
Hence you may think you locked it but it is super important that you see the mirrors fold back... I always super lock my car by pressing the lock button twice and watch and make sure the mirrors fold in ...

I suspect unwittingly you vehicle was left open and they just opened the door and quickly rummaged through...

Sun Mar 15 2020 11:31pm

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