^^^ I can understand being fed up with Westminster - most people who live outside London probably share you views. However it is usually much better to " be inside the tent p__sing out than outside the tent trying to Pi-- in !

If I had a vote I'd be seriously wondering what sort of future would be out there my Kids and grandchildren.

I'm lucky in that there's not much that a decision either way can do that will impact my way of life so I have no axe to grind but having spent many years building economic financial models I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of the average Scot if Scotland goes independent.

You are very lucky to be in such a position drdelrrs.

"If I had a vote I'd be seriously wondering what sort of future would be out there my Kids and grandchildren."

Exactly the reason for me voting YES on Thursday.

The average person in the UK hasn't a lot as it is.

Cameron has declared that we as a country (UK) are coming through a dire financial situation, that we should all 'tighten our belts' to enable economic recovery. Mp's have just given themselves a 10% wage increase, hardly tightening of belts there then. If Cameron had any integrity at all about him he would have nipped that one in the bud as a non-starter. I believe NHS nurses were only awarded 1.6% increase, and that after a struggle.

Cameron also should wake up to the fact that people are not voting YES because of any great sudden swell of nationalistic pride in Scotland, or sudden belief in the policies of Mr Salmon. People are voting Yes because they are sick and tired of living in a country being run by people who are woefully inept, out of touch with the general public and who have their head so far up Obama's back passage they could easily lick his tonsils.

We in Scotland have a chance to change things by becoming independent. I don't know if life in Scotland will be better or worse for the people of Scotland as an independent nation, I don't know if the oil will last 4 years, 40 years or 400 years. I don't know if Asda will put up prices.....or if David Cameron will make a last ditch appeal to the Mars family to raise the price of a Mars Bar to over a tenner thus taxing the deep fried Mars bar supper out of the reach of the average Scot if we vote YES.......But I DO know that a NO vote on the 18th will mean more of the same....that is the only certainty in all of this. 2010 RRS TDV6 3.0 Autobiography - Stornoway Grey
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Deep fried Mars bar.

One of Scotland's specialties I have not (and will not) had the pleasure of sampling

Me neither Mike, nor have I ever met anyone who has.

Was just a wee jibe at what cringeworthy tactic we might expect next from a totally out of touch Mr Cameron in his quest to bully the Scottish people on how they should vote on Thursday. 2010 RRS TDV6 3.0 Autobiography - Stornoway Grey
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Mad_Dafty

1. So why not go for devolution -you can then negotiate the benefits without the huge risks of independence?
2. You really think a new lot of politicians in an independent Scotland will be better decision makers and pay themselves less than in UK especially when there will be less checks and balances without a constitution !

I would vote for structured and meaningful devolution, except that I cannot vote, I live in the wrong country for that. Not just because I like the Union Jack but I do think that there are too many unknowns and it could be a huge disaster for Scotland to try to go it alone. The truth is that no-one knows but what a risk it would be.

The tory back benchers have already said they would block any devo max structure if there's a no vote so we have nothing to lose really, I just get annoyed with all the "Scotland will never manage on their own" remarks, it's quite insulting if I'm honest. Why there's the attitude that little old Scotland can't thrive with independance baffles me somewhat! Many countries have gone before us and managed perfectly well, of course it's not going to be plane sailing but they'll be our problems and we are a more than capable nation to fix them.


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drdelrrs wrote:

Mad_Dafty

1. So why not go for devolution -you can then negotiate the benefits without the huge risks of independence?
2. You really think a new lot of politicians in an independent Scotland will be better decision makers and pay themselves less than in UK especially when there will be less checks and balances without a constitution !

Whichever way it goes it seems that Scotland will be a split country for probably at least a generation which is a big shame. By the end of this week almost half the country is going to be dissapointed because the vote has gone the wrong way for them.

drdelrrs wrote:

Mad_Dafty

1. So why not go for devolution -you can then negotiate the benefits without the huge risks of independence?
2. You really think a new lot of politicians in an independent Scotland will be better decision makers and pay themselves less than in UK especially when there will be less checks and balances without a constitution !

mad-dafty wrote:

Mp's have just given themselves a 10% wage increase, hardly tightening of belts there then. If Cameron had any integrity at all about him he would have nipped that one in the bud as a non-starter. I believe NHS nurses were only awarded 1.6% increase, and that after a struggle.

drdelrrs wrote:

Mad_Dafty

1. So why not go for devolution -you can then negotiate the benefits without the huge risks of independence?
2. You really think a new lot of politicians in an independent Scotland will be better decision makers and pay themselves less than in UK especially when there will be less checks and balances without a constitution !

Simple solution to avoid any doubt as to the depth of the powers on offer or to avoid any misgivings by the voting public whether or not the government will indeed keep to it's word and instigate the powers would have been to put the new powers in place BEFORE the 18th. There could be no doubts then as to the sincerity behind the proposed pledge of more powers for Holyrood. What would they have had to lose? If the people of Scotland saw the offers in place and voted NO, Cameron would have thought it worthwhile. If the public still voted YES dispite the pledge being in place then so what? It would be null and void anyway in a Independent Scotland. As it is, it's too late in coming for me......I will be voting YES! 2010 RRS TDV6 3.0 Autobiography - Stornoway Grey
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^^^ I won't argue with your sentiments but would have to say the politicians on both sides have not been exactly transparent - as to the timing of a 'devolution deal'; all deals will always go down to the wire because that's the way of the world - I bet when you bought you're Sport you used the same principles to get the best vfm.

The pro-independents are increasingly promising you (Yes voters) more and more - essentially less austerity with less tax while increasing...

Health spending despite being a huge deficit kept in check by the UK subsidy
a Scottish army by 15,000 pus support personnel and equipment support costs
pensions maintained
more jobs
floating currency
unknown export revenue.

Taking away the emotional and understandable desire to be masters of your own destiny I personally don't see how the logic and finances can stack up but I, sincerely, wish all of you who vote the best of luck - neither side is helping you make an informed decision.

At least you are getting a say, even though we in rest of the UK have contributed to the Scottish history we aren't getting a vote!

On ething for sure it will be messy post Thursday

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Health spending despite being a huge deficit kept in check by the UK subsidy