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I didnt like her - but i am glad we had a women PM and that we had someone who flew the British Flag...its just a shame most of the issues we have now stem from the problems she laid the foundations too.

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It's funny the difference between these posts and some of the bile spouted on other forums/Facebook etc, and a lot from bands/singers etc who made quite a good living singing political songs, thank you very much!
At the end of the day, whether you liked her or not , she had a bigger set of nads than any of the successive leaders we have had, from BOTH main parties.
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I think her passing is very sad. Lady T was a conviction politician who pushed for reform where ever it was needed regardless of class or selfish motivation. Whilst a lot is said about manufacturing & the coal industry (which interestingly Neil Kinnock stated yesterday Scargill did more to destroy than Lady T) she also forced through reform in the city and civil service etc which up to then had been nothing more than 'old boys' clubs for those from a privileged background.

She stood up to bullies such as the Argies, IRA, Scargill, European Union and the communist block, even when in doing so she put everything on the line (not just her political career) and at times this cost not only the lives of British military personnel but also those of some of her close friends and associates, as well as putting her own safety at risk. It is hard to imagine any of her successors having the balls to do so time and time again.

I think Britain had two great PM’s in the 20th century, Churchill and Thatcher. So far in the 21st century we’ve seen nothing of the like of either of them.

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RRSTDV8 wrote:

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She caused untold misery to many communities throughout the country with her divisive policies and decimated our manufacturing base to put all of the country's eggs in the financial basket which unravelled spectacularly five year ago.

Manufacturing in this counrty was already dead - it just hadn't realised.

I realise I will probably a lone voice on this forum, but what a load of rubbish.^^ The vehicle that you drive, where is it made?!

The mines that she destroyed had begun implementing more economical work practices and were starting to show profit, although I understand most of you won't be able to digest that.

Yes, she was a 'conviction' politician, but at what cost? Her and her government decimated the economies of entire communities, while at the same time letting financial institutions run riot. Her government was also the one to come up with the now much derided DLA because unemployment was going through the roof, the only way to lower figures was to start putting people 'on the sick' which paved the way for generations to sit about doing all!

Like I said, due to the swooning for her on here I imagine I'll be a lone voice.

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I was still at school when she took power. My Dad hated her with a passion, She had gone by the time I realised that I really should take a bit more notice of politics ( well have an idea anyway) My big memory is the miners strike and my Dads mate who knew Scargil well. He never missed a meal, holiday or anything else for that matter. He was probably better off after the miners strike than he was before. So spare a thought for those who were led in the wrong direction by one man who's only intention was to get lady T out. I respect your view as it is the same as my Dads but lets at least get her buried before we rip her to pieces. She has a family and she is human. My Dad can rest in piece but he would haunt me it I said the same of her. 07 tdv8 stornoway grey at home tucked up
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Well said Corns. Scargill led the miners to disaster to serve his own political agenda. There is no question that were it not for Scargill and his approach a deal would have been struck with the miners, but he like other would be dictators such as Galtierri and Adams etc thought he could bully the British government of the day into submission, as they did with their own communities. History has proven, that was a flawed strategy.

Trade union reform was essential, as even the labour party agree, as it is un-democratic to have organisations holding the country to ransom, when the vast majority of the people who are impacted by their actions have no opportunity to vote in trade union elections.

SPX, respect your view and that's the great thing about democracy, we are all entitled to opinion and to express our views. Lady T was a big champion of this and from what I have read always encouraged debate, unlike the dictators she stood so firmly against!

Did Lady T make mistakes, of course, she was after all only human, but I still think in the context of the time she was in power, she made the decisions she felt were right at the time and for that I believe she should be respected even if some will never be able to celebrate her legacy. --------------------------------------------------------
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BigCat8810 wrote:

SPX, respect your view and that's the great thing about democracy, we are all entitled to opinion and to express our views. Lady T was a big champion of this and from what I have read always encouraged debate, unlike the dictators she stood so firmly against!

Did Lady T make mistakes, of course, she was after all only human, but I still think in the context of the time she was in power, she made the decisions she felt were right at the time and for that I believe she should be respected even if some will never be able to celebrate her legacy.

Corns-88 wrote:

I was still at school when she took power. My Dad hated her with a passion, She had gone by the time I realised that I really should take a bit more notice of politics ( well have an idea anyway) My big memory is the miners strike and my Dads mate who knew Scargil well. He never missed a meal, holiday or anything else for that matter. He was probably better off after the miners strike than he was before. So spare a thought for those who were led in the wrong direction by one man who's only intention was to get lady T out. I respect your view as it is the same as my Dads but lets at least get her buried before we rip her to pieces. She has a family and she is human. My Dad can rest in piece but he would haunt me it I said the same of her.

I can't defend Scargill, his mistake was to turn it into a personal battle which he could only lose.

And where I'm from, everyone had a mate that knew Scargill...

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Your not a lone voice SPX

Good to hear.

SPX wrote:

RRSTDV8 wrote:

SPX wrote:

She caused untold misery to many communities throughout the country with her divisive policies and decimated our manufacturing base to put all of the country's eggs in the financial basket which unravelled spectacularly five year ago.

Manufacturing in this counrty was already dead - it just hadn't realised.

I realise I will probably a lone voice on this forum, but what a load of rubbish.^^ The vehicle that you drive, where is it made?!

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The mines that she destroyed had begun implementing more economical work practices and were starting to show profit, although I understand most of you won't be able to digest that.

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Like I said, due to the swooning for her on here I imagine I'll be a lone voice.

I would beg to differ on your view of history SPX. Lady T was no fan of apartheid but nor was she a fan of radical Marxist terrorists which like it or not, was central to the ideology of the ANC back then. The ANC was not purely a group opposed to the SA regime, they were dedicated to the spread of radical Marxism across the region through violent action.

Lady T called for Nelson Mandela’s release and pushed the SA government to reform, although she remained opposed to stringent economic sanctions which would have damaged the SA economy & the lives of all SA citizens regardless of colour or creed.

To be clear she was never a supporter of apartheid or the regime which governed SA at the time but again in the context of the time her description of the ANC is not wholly inaccurate.

Re Pinochet, that is more interesting, however, again historical context has relevance. During the Falklands campaign in 1982, Chile was one of the very few South American countries who provided support (perhaps more than we know) which was important when we faced conducting a war so far from home. Also whilst I cannot claim Lady T had direct influence in the transition to democracy in Chile, it was Pinochet who stood down for a peaceful transition, rather than any last desperate bloody stand.

I don’t think Lady T was a supporter of any dictatorship, however, she valued the support our country received at a crucial time, which may have saved the lives of British military personnel.

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I don't buy into this MT destroyed the mining industry and manufacturing guff, if there was money to be made somebody would of been doing it. As for manufacturing we destroyed that ourselves in my opinion, the workforce was at large a lazy arsed bunch of no hopers whom would sooner stand around an oil drum on fire than get their arse into gear and do the job they were paid to do!

Lets face it when they were doing their job they weren't very good at it, hence why good old GB got left behind by pretty much the rest of the world, we spent 20/30 years living off our past reputation and then the reality started to bite back, we were and everyone knew it!!

Regardless of your political views MT was somebodies mother and for anybody to dance in the street upon their passing says more about them than it does about her, RIP Maggie.