TC,
Can we see ALL your Dyno graphs please for all your tunes? As I can't find any on your web site or anywhere else for that matter.
I beleive its the spread of torque at the highest Rpm that matters. Without a dyno graph its hard to tell if your tune is the best or not.#
Having driven a super chip conversion I was impressed by that and as they publicise their graphs one can see what they've done.
So come on TC show us  TDV6 - gone
TDV8 - gone
Audi Q5 3.0 Tdi Sline wef 6/11/10

Here we go....

OBD/OBDII = On Board Dignostic socket (looks like a scart connector usually above the drivers shin or feet) which is used to communicate with the vehicle computers including the ECU (Engine Control Unit).

When upgrading an ecu it is preferable to 'go through' the OBD as the upgrade remains totally invisable and vehicle components did not need to be removed.

If the above is not possible then the other option is to open the ECU and remove the memory chip and replace the data with a new program (some people call it re-mapping) and replace the original chip with the new one, usually by soldering, inside the ecu. The ecu is then re-installed in the vehicle.

The technical process of changing the ecu data involves searching through the 'chip' data and identifying the relevant 'maps' such as fuel pressure, injector timing, throttle demand, turbo pressure, torque limiter etc and making the relevant changes in the data before re-installing the new data via a new chip or 'flash program' direct into the ecu via the OBD.

The trouble with my industry is that many tuners simply 'turn up' the fuel pressure in modern diesels and neglect to do anything else.

We spent 7 days on a rolling road (dynometer) identify the relevant maps within the TDV6 engine, yet one of our competitors who is a stones throw from Buckingham town centre, spent a morning!

Our development process is reflected in the quality of our product and of course the price  Chips with everything

Josh,

It's actually the 'spread of torque' at the lowest rpm that is the most important (better fuel, less gear changing and acceleration if you need it!)

When Superchips use an independent dyno rather than their own 'in house' dyno with independant scrutiny then I'll be happy to publish what you ask.

But if I am to believe Schips dyno results, how come their standard vehicle showed only 75 bhp @ 2000 rpm when Autologic's standard vehicle showed 110 bhp at the same 2000 rpm. Something isnt right here...35 bhp has gone astray

With regard to their torque figures: the Superchips TUNED vehicle had 315lbft @ 2000 rpm (The same as standard) yet the Autologic TurboChip TUNED vehicle has 380lbft torque @ 2000 rpm...JUST WHERE YOU NEED IT!!

The TDV6 tunes we provide to Autologic have been independently verified and I am more than happy to undertake a performance 'shoot out' with Superchips any day.

You are welcome to drive one of our TC tuned vehicles any day  Chips with everything

This is great ........... Just looking forward now to when information starts pouring in on how to improve performance on the Suprcharged - another lively debate  
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MDP wrote:

This is great ........... Just looking forward now to when information starts pouring in on how to improve performance on the Suprcharged - another lively debate

I say this but, if the new forthcoming 3.6dV8 is worth changing to ? I may be looking at this thread more closely.  
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MDP

I love a good debate but I get the feeling Josh is more 'attached' to our friends at Superchips than he's prepared to admit

We already have the specification sheets for the TDV8....I cant wait to tune it!!! Chips with everything

TC,
You're such a cynic
Paul RRS TDV8 - Stornoway Grey, Irory Leather with Dark Zebrano, Privacy Glass, Tow Pack.
1967 Cobra 427 S/C
1951 Vincent Comet
2001 Harley Davidson Fat Boy

Just to put the cat amoungst the pigeons Rolling road results are notoriously iffy on all landrovers with the latest auto gearboxes the results from rolling road to rolling road or even consecutive runs on the same equipment will more often than not be completley different, tuners will often pick the results they like and off you go - a "verified" misleading result. The best tunes are started on the rolloing road and then undertake a lot of development on the road, different roads, various loads etc. The problem is that this tuning game is cheap to get into and these tuners don't have the resource to run a test vehicle, often they don't even drive one. It's the same as software developers unleashing 'nearly there' software on the public.

Paul

I like a good debate but I hate being 'set up'  Chips with everything

RRMAD

I agree with you thats why we actually bought a TDV6 Disco3 manual so we could get true transmission losses on our rolling road and then spent 7 days trying different maps on and off the road until we were happy with our conversion.

Once we had a base 'tune' we were then able to apply this knowledge to the automatics in both the RRS and Disco TDV6.

Most tuners, with the exception of JE and ourselves, spend a few hours modifying engine maps with the hope that they'll get an 'acceptable' power and torque gain rather than a fully developed product.

TC  Chips with everything

TC,

I'm sorry to disappoint you but I do not have any connections to any Tuning company and I haven't a clue about anything mechanical. Well not quite true I can change the track on a tank.
But I do have an investigative mind! What I desire, is to know and trust what I am planning to do to my private and very expensive purchase.

What I stuggle with is the variety of tunes you offer via several companies for the TDV6. As you said it is very easy for people in your business to have us mere mortals over the barrel.

How the hell do I work out which one is best if you are not prepared to prove it to me? I'd pop around to your base and have a chat and demo, but where is it? Somewhere in Cumbria or somewhere near the M40?

I do not for one moment think that S/Chips is the best product and discounted them ages ago.Though I went for a drive and it was quite good.
For me its between you and JE.

So I'm sorry if you think bad of me, but that is not my intention  TDV6 - gone
TDV8 - gone
Audi Q5 3.0 Tdi Sline wef 6/11/10

RRMAD would you like to answer my question or dont you need the work this is the replie from JE regarding weather they "chip " via the ecu or open it up( Thank you for your enquiry.

Our new TDV6 tune is installed by means of Computer Software.

As far as Warranty is concerned, it is not visible but could be detected
by
a Dealer if they "interrogated" the ECu. We always recommend potential
customers to discuss the tune with their Supplying Dealer because they
control Warranties.

Trust this is helpful.

Regards

John) so the question for you now MR TURBOCHIP can yours be detected if the ecu is interrogated or is it a case of THEY WONT CRACK UNDER PRESSURE :lol:just a quick thought it seems strange that no other tuning co are actually on this forum as theirselves at least TC will just about answser any questions fired at him so come on superchips tunit etc lets have some input or are you big girls blouses

Josh,

I'm happy to prove it to you....let me know if you can get to central London and I'll happily arrange a test drive via a LR dealer who uses TC as their 'in house' tuning company.

Noddy,

Our conversion is undetectable to all LR diagnostics and thank you for investigating the JE option...they are quite clever at using words to 'put people off the scent'...they do indeed use a computer to upgrade the ecu but so do I...only difference is that TC do it by OBD and JE open the ecu...funny how they still fail to mention that FACT!!

ps Come on Jonathan (MD at JE) open your wallet and let's do a deal  Chips with everything

TC,
I'd prefer outside London as I never have cause to go there. But will think on it if its not possible anywhere else north of the M25?
Which tune version do you put on theirs or is that up to the Customer?
I know your various figures. Are there any pros and cons for each as I haven't a clue? What mileage do you advise its done at? Can it be undone?
Thanks. TDV6 - gone
TDV8 - gone
Audi Q5 3.0 Tdi Sline wef 6/11/10

[quote="noddy and bigears"]RRMAD would you like to answer my question or dont you need the work this is the replie from JE regarding weather they "chip " via the ecu or open it up( Thank you for your enquiry.

Our new TDV6 tune is installed by means of Computer Software.

As far as Warranty is concerned, it is not visible but could be detected
by
a Dealer if they "interrogated" the ECu. We always recommend potential
customers to discuss the tune with their Supplying Dealer because they
control Warranties.

Trust this is helpful.

Regards


We can tune either way via OBD2 - direct to ECU or - re chipping. There are pros and cons for all. I have been told that software to interrogate the ecu can even even be obtained for free on the internet so the idea of a tune being undetectable is absolute nonsense. That said the LR dealers T4 system won't find it. You however seem particularly nervous so maybe a simple plug in plug out unit is best for you, take it out for servicing or if there are any problems - not as good but maybe a good compromise. If an engine gave way in a big way LR maybe tempted to look a little deeper and only the really niave would give them as little credit as not being able to find something so basic. An unlikely senario but clearly one worrying you. We are not really set up for just software tuning as most of our work includes further modifications including intercoolers etc. The best solution is the TC or JE route and where it is accesed makes no odds but I agree people should tell you what they are doing before they take your well earned off you!