Are LR going to be able to improve reliability/quality and customer service if they double production and make all these models I wonder

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The new RRS looks identical to the FFRR, just a bit smaller !!

I do have my doubts about the new direction of the FF/RRS design.

The Defender looks good tho'  FF 4.4 V8 Soooo looking forward to this bad boy
Ex 2006 RRS SC - garbage
Ex 2016 135i M Sport - dream car
Ex 2003 RS6 Avant - piece of cr*p
Ex 2014 320d X Drive, M Sport Touring - ok I guess
Ex 2007 RRS TDV8 - bloody loved it
EX 2007 FL2 XS - not so bad

Evoque XL and RRS seem a little to close to each other IMO.
Does raise the question that have people seen the new RRS out and about with camo or the Evoque XL  ON THE WAY: BMW F21 M140i
MERCEDES GL350 - Metallic Navy Blue w/Grey interior

GOING: BMW F31 335D MSport+ xDrive Touring
GONE: Land Rover Discovery 4 HSE - Stornaway Grey w/Black Interior (wish we'd kept it )
GONE: BMW F10 520D MSport - Carbon Black
GONE:MY12 RRS SDV6 HSE Sumatra/Ivory/Grand Black Privacy glass

I read somewhere the new RRS will be FFRR based not disco like current model

They will share many components but RRS will have lower roofline and more sporty suspension setup so the price will be going up to reflect this  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

Eventually they will price themselves out of the market !

At present in many parts of the world the RR & RRS are a car to strive for (as they are here), but as the cars become more common place the lack of attention to quality control & a poor dealer network will see foreign markets starting to slow down.

People whe spend £125k on a car are not the sort of peple who will accept the current slapdash attitude, its okay to move a car up market you just need to ensure you do the same with the dealers and quality control.

In this country you may have a part of society that will pay circa £50k for a car or one that falls into the £1k per month to lease but push it up to £70k & that market is so much smaller.

I for one if the next RRS moves into the £60k plus bracket will look elsewhere & I've had more LR products than most !

As for the other models, I do not think they have yet worked it out that once you start undermining the brand exclusivity/desirability a cheap Range Rover what ever you put on the end of the name is just that.

I personally think with the 6 vehicles they have at present in RR, RRS, RRE, Discovery, Freelander & Defender they have too many siimilar vehicles, perhaps they should spend more time on getting the vehicles right out the factory first time than start introducing more models.

Just my thoughts

Paul Paul

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That does look like quite a diluted model range, akin to the Audi brand where its hard to tell one model from the next  2016 VW Golf GTD DSG
2007 Exige S British GT SE
Gone : 2011 3.0TDV6 HSE, Stornoway Grey, Ivory, Piano Black Trim, Paddleshift, Privacy Glass, Side Steps, Mud Flaps, Heated Steering Wheel, Timed Climate & Remote Park Heating

This is partly what finished Rover/MG - if they had concentrated on Rover 75 and MGTF they would probably still be here now  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

Muddy - I'll get flamed, but with cars like the 75 and MGTF.....it was just aswell MG/Rover went under IMHO  ON THE WAY: BMW F21 M140i
MERCEDES GL350 - Metallic Navy Blue w/Grey interior

GOING: BMW F31 335D MSport+ xDrive Touring
GONE: Land Rover Discovery 4 HSE - Stornaway Grey w/Black Interior (wish we'd kept it )
GONE: BMW F10 520D MSport - Carbon Black
GONE:MY12 RRS SDV6 HSE Sumatra/Ivory/Grand Black Privacy glass

I had an MGTF and my dad had a 75 and we were both very happy with them and I believe they were the only models that made a profit  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

I had an MGF for 2 weeks before I threw it back into the car pool at work a few years back, possible one of the worst cars I've had.
Job losses aside, which was clearly devastating for some families, I don't think they would have survived that much longer as their cars just couldn't compete with their competitors IMO. ON THE WAY: BMW F21 M140i
MERCEDES GL350 - Metallic Navy Blue w/Grey interior

GOING: BMW F31 335D MSport+ xDrive Touring
GONE: Land Rover Discovery 4 HSE - Stornaway Grey w/Black Interior (wish we'd kept it )
GONE: BMW F10 520D MSport - Carbon Black
GONE:MY12 RRS SDV6 HSE Sumatra/Ivory/Grand Black Privacy glass

The TF was a big step forward from the F in the same way a D2 was from a D1 - both developed under BMW management so sorry - you used a bad example

IMHO the TF and 75 were the first decent cars they built and they should of concentrated on them but it was probably too late especially with the rape of mg/rover by the directors

We appear to have digressed - I see a whole new thread starting  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

Agreed, we/ YOU seem to have hijacked your own thread

Sorry, back OT  ON THE WAY: BMW F21 M140i
MERCEDES GL350 - Metallic Navy Blue w/Grey interior

GOING: BMW F31 335D MSport+ xDrive Touring
GONE: Land Rover Discovery 4 HSE - Stornaway Grey w/Black Interior (wish we'd kept it )
GONE: BMW F10 520D MSport - Carbon Black
GONE:MY12 RRS SDV6 HSE Sumatra/Ivory/Grand Black Privacy glass

pjb wrote:

Eventually they will price themselves out of the market !
I for one if the next RRS moves into the £60k plus bracket will look elsewhere & I've had more LR products than most!

Hence 34% increase in profits this year

The trend started with D3/FL2 - I went from D2's to FL2's because of jump in prices but then went stupid on the RRS and regretted it for 2 years due to issues

It seems to be going ok now so I will probably keep it for another 2 years to maximise my outlay but normally change year 2/3 and may have to go for Evoque/FL2 next time  Wanted a Series 2 LR since childhood but previously owned MY16 Disco Sport HSE TD4 Auto, MY13 RR Sport Black Edition TDV6 Auto, MY10 RR Sport HSE TDV6 Auto, 2007 Freelander 1 Freestyle TD4 Soft Top, 2009 Freelander 2 GS TD4 Auto, 2007 Freelander 2 GS TD4, 2004 Disco 2 Metropolis Auto, 2002 Disco 2 GS, 2000 Freelander 1 SE TD4 SW

Still hoping for a S2 one day!

Don't do it muddywheels not the evoque, it's not a real rr Tesla Model Y - 2023
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